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    Do we really want this stuff flowing through our lands? Sure we do, as long as it is not in my backyard (says the politician)


    http://www.dw.de/oil-boom-in-canada-...ca/av-17437070

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    Money for Keystone Pipeline would be better spent on a new refinery somewhere in the north tied to existing distribution lines. It won't be long before another hurricane trashes the Lousianna refineries most stupidly located at sea level smack in the Mississippi Delta.

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    Not in my back yard applies to Exxon Mobil executives too...ain't it funny how people can become environmentalists overnight
    Exxon Mobil's CEO has joined a lawsuit to stop construction of a water tower near his home that would be used to in the fracking process to drill for oil....
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...cking/5726603/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    Money for Keystone Pipeline would be better spent on a new refinery somewhere in the north tied to existing distribution lines. It won't be long before another hurricane trashes the Lousianna refineries most stupidly located at sea level smack in the Mississippi Delta.

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    https://www.google.com/search?q=map%20louisiana%20oil%20refineries%20hurr icanes&client=chrome-mobile&espv=1&tbm=isch&tbo=u&sboxchip=Images&sourc e=univ&sa=X&ei=VqgbU4qIJc2F0QH56IG4Cw&ved=0CDcQ7Ak &biw=1443&bih=854#facrc=_

    Other people are thinking the same way.

    http://www.prairiebizmag.com/event/a...blisher_ID/46/


    There was supposed to be a huge refinery built in South East South Dakota, but this is the last news I've heard a year ago now. Looks to me like we'll never see it.

    http://siouxcityjournal.com/business...47d75c5ab.html
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    Seriously? A a refinery (how many times more expensive than a pipeline?) in South Dakota? Now instead of the problem of transporting crude oil you have the same problem transporting refined products. Why do you think those refineries on the gulf coast are located there?
    I understand and appreciate that there are differences of opinion about policy here, but who could possibly think it makes sense to put a refinery in South Dakota without a pipeline system to support it?
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    Hurricanes have never been a concern for refineries other than shutting them down for several days so that employees can be with their families. Refineries actually hold up to hurricanes quite well. The are built using the best grade of steel and are round in shape offering the least amount of wind resistance. Betsy was out last Cat5 and there was zero damage even with the direct hit.

    The potential problem is the Port of Fourchon where tankers from around the world unload crude into pipelines which conveys the crude to refineries. I've fished that entire area, the most fertile fishing grounds in the lower 48 and it would take more than a hurricane to damage the facility. The bigger concern is terrorist and the entire area is heavily guarded. Over 80% of the crude coming into this country comes through the Port Of Fourchon.
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    Mike your in Ohio and 75% of the Bakken oil goes by route thru Cleveland onto Buffalo to Albany, NY. From Albany it goes by barge or rail to NYC and ny rail to refineries in NJ ,De, and PA. Other Albany oil goes by tanker to St. John, Canada/refined sent back to the east coast. Another rail route goes from Bakken , Canada via Estevan-Toronto -Montreal-Albany. NYC state will not allow fracking in its Marcellus shale deposit. Bakken has a 7 billion barrel reserve, Down south they have the Tuscaloosa Marine Shale deposit in MS and LA. 30 wells drilled in Amite Co, MS. It has a 7 billion barrel reserve.
    We want energy we have to pay a price. The question is what price and who pays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swliszka View Post
    Mike your in Ohio and 75% of the Bakken oil goes by route thru Cleveland onto Buffalo to Albany, NY. From Albany it goes by barge or rail to NYC and ny rail to refineries in NJ ,De, and PA. Other Albany oil goes by tanker to St. John, Canada/refined sent back to the east coast. Another rail route goes from Bakken , Canada via Estevan-Toronto -Montreal-Albany. NYC state will not allow fracking in its Marcellus shale deposit. Bakken has a 7 billion barrel reserve, Down south they have the Tuscaloosa Marine Shale deposit in MS and LA. 30 wells drilled in Amite Co, MS. It has a 7 billion barrel reserve.
    We want energy we have to pay a price. The question is what price and who pays.
    The solution is in converting as many vehicles and power plants to CNG. We have enough natural gas that we don't even need to frack for it!
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    I agree but unfortunately too much money will be lost by the vested interests and innovation is stopped or stifled. Electric cars anybody? 100 years of innovation denied until now. Tesla wants to build a 5 Billion $ Battery plant in TX/AZ/NV/NM ! Lets see if it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    The solution is in converting as many vehicles and power plants to CNG. We have enough natural gas that we don't even need to frack for it!
    Franco....hard for me to say this, but I absolutely agree with your comments, but for us to go to CNG we have to stop converting our power plants from coal to CNG. This has been forced by the government environmentalist. It is killing the coal industry destroying many towns in Pennsylvania and West Virginia (to mention a few). We have the technology to stop emissions from coal fired power plants, but still the EPA forces them to covert and use CNG. By going back to coal and as a nation converting to automobiles that can use CNG or gasoline...the dependence on foreign energy would be stopped and at the same time dramatically reduce unemployment. The oil companies would still be viable, also. An energy boom would be created (more that we have now)....and we all could fill our cars up at home as most homes have CNG line in their homes that could be set up to fill 'er up, at home.....
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