Last edited by Buzz; 03-10-2014 at 01:51 PM.
"For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required." -- Luke 12:48
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I apologize for my snarky comments. I fell into the trap of insulting rather than discussing. I have been attempting to change my approach to some of these divisive political discussions by trying to keep my conversations civil while explaining my position. Obviously in this case I fell short. I can improve nothing by insulting you and I certainly can't help you understand my position by making you feel that I'm calling you stupid. It is so easy to let emotions dictate our actions and the way we communicate with one another. The truth of the matter that is many of us (myself especially) discuss issues we know little about and get into arguments based on headlines and soundbites and slanted opinion pieces that we expose ourselves to. It's a shame, but we don't REALLY have the gumption to educate ourselves on the real facts and it is easy to just parrot what those on "our side" say about any given issue. And what's even more sad is that those of us who come to this forum are more politically aware than the majority of our peers. And probably more so than many of our elected officials. The long and short of it is I don't know much about the oil industry or Keystone XL other than what I learned while doing a research project a few years ago. Who am I to insult someone else's knowledge of the issue?
I do get frustrated with some comments I read here that seem to indicate that many on "your side" don't seem to understand basic principals of business. I guess I let that frustration get the better of me and for that I am sorry. I love this country as I'm sure you do, but I'm afraid. I'm afraid that the foundation of this nation's success is being nibbled away, tiny bite by tiny bite. I'm afraid that our young people are falling into the same collectivist trap that seems to ensnare every nation sooner or later. Little by little, we exchange liberty for false security. Little by little, we give up our freedom and few of us seem to care. Many don't care because freedom is scary. The flip side of freedom to succeed is freedom to fail. We want that safety net. We want all the blessings and opportunities, but we want to be immune from discomfort, from failure, from insecurity. We want, we want, we want. We want the impossible, we have plenty of historic proof that it is impossible, we can even understand on a logical level that it is impossible, but it doesn't prevent humans from trying to get it over and over and over. Here's where I could list all the countries that reached the tragic ultimate expression of collectivism, but you don't need me to do that. You can list them yourself. I'm truly afraid that America is going to end up on that list. Probably not in our lifetime, but eventually. I have grandchildren now. What kind of country will their children live in? The thought scares me.
Sorry for the long-winded, off-topic rant. I just wanted you to maybe understand where I'm coming from.
"Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is probably the reason why so few engage in it." Henry Ford
Post some particulars about who was fighting the conversion of automobiles and why and the topic could be discussed.
I did a search of "ohio compressed natural gas" and found a lot of projects moving forward.
epa information on moving vehicle to alternative fuels are available at http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/fue...s/altfuels.htm
here is an article on how epa amended its rules to make it easier to convert to cng. http://www.ngvglobal.com/us-epa-amen...nversions-0401
Last edited by Henry V; 03-10-2014 at 10:45 PM.
Just how long do you think that fund would last & who would ensure that it was available when needed? You'll find out when you
get ready to collect your SS.
You will never hear me defend these companies, but you have to realize, "It's ore - Only if it can be mined at a profit",
& that's what the mining companies will do to maximize profits . Look at the attempt to get into Bristol Bay! I can remember making
the statement that I thought it criminal that the company's tailings was leaching into the little creek going from Climax to Dillon CO in
front of an executive for the company I worked for in CO. Hence no fish, though a beautiful little stream. On the other side of the CD
the headwaters of the Arkansas river system began. The executive informed me that he had better never hear that statement again!
I realized I was working for the wrong company & moved shortly there after. Because the company had a monopoly on the Molybdenum
market the gross profit was 90% of the selling price of MO as it left by barrel from the mill.
I believe there is a balance that can be met, but the pendulum seems to swing to far beyond the
center. How would it make you feel if you were, & you now are, aware that the Gore family owns
a zinc deposit that is one of the major polluters of a river near his home? So sometimes the
political leanings of the polluter contribute to the publication of the truth.
Everyone's friend is No One's friend
Someday your life will flash before your eyes. It's your responsibility to make sure it's worth watching!
5 miles away next to Elverson in Warwick is probably one of the best gentleman's estates in America where I'm lucky to be able to train. It's been in the Pew family for a long while (Sunoco)
The old time robber barrons had no problem raping and polluting the rest of the country so they could live the high life in the east.
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Per favore, non mi rompere i coglioni.