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Thread: A Good Debate Question #2

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    So in our dog retrieving sport we occassionly have issues arise : if you were judging how would you handle this ?

    Flyer gunners knock the target down and the dog is released.
    The bird has moved : the retriever goes to the exact spot, the bird has moved out in the open and he sees it but makes several passes before he picks the game up and returns.

    How do you scorce this ?

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    It's a good mark. He went exactly to the spot. He is hunting the area. He can smell the wounded bird. Maybe he saw it, but does he recognize it as what he is after right away? You can't know that. Sounds like a good job to me. I score it as an excellent mark.
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    It is a good mark and a good score on perseverance. Hunting a cripple down is a valuable asset in a hunting dog.

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    Nice job in my book.

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    Dave are you saying the dog runs past the bird sitting out in the open several times? If the dog marked the fall well (which it sounds like he did) then I would award a good marking score. If the bird moved out into the open and in full view of the dog and I felt that the dog saw the bird and was avoiding it but eventually picked the bird, I would reflect that in my perseverance scoring.

    Is this a Master dog or a Junior dog? Blinking birds is a major fault so it could be detrimental to any dogs' score and something I would definitely be watching for on other birds
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    He marked the bird.

    No different than if a dog lines a blind but the blind was not planted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Kress View Post
    and he sees it but makes several passes before he picks the game up and returns.
    Dk
    I don't think that scoring the mark is the question. I think this part, quoted above re: dog seeing the bird and intentionally not picking it up immediately, is. Is that accurate, Dave?
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    Marking - 7-8
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Kress View Post
    .....Flyer gunners knock the target down and the dog is released.
    The bird has moved : the retriever goes to the exact spot, the bird has moved out in the open and he sees it but makes several passes before he picks the game up and returns.
    Dk
    would it make any matter to the judges if......
    it was the first bird down vs. the last?
    if the moved bird was still in the AOF or outside of it?
    if it was the near bird or the far?
    if it was one of the first dogs in the order or one of the last dogs to run?
    if it was a test or a trial?
    if it were a lean, hard running Black Lab vs. a Big Ol' Fluffy Golden?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Bora View Post
    would it make any matter to the judges if......

    if it were a lean, hard running Black Lab vs. a Big Ol' Fluffy Golden?
    If it were a golden, Dave would have come right out and said it blinked the duck

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