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    Default Proper way to approach a judge about no bird

    If you know your dog could not see a bird due to a poor throw and the judges call for your dog how would be the best way to approach from this point?
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    I usually hesitate on sending my dog and look back at the judge with a questioning look. It usually doesn't help though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinagold View Post
    If you know your dog could not see a bird due to a poor throw and the judges call for your dog how would be the best way to approach from this point?
    Good point...I would look back at judge after released and say I didn't see the mark...

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    The funny thing is, there have been many times judging that I have thought to my self " That dog never seen that bird" ( not because of a no bird or a poor throw) but because the dog was locked on the flyer, head swung ect. and then went out and stepped on it. So IMO best thing to do is roll with it if the judges don't call a no bird, if they call your # you really have no choice but to roll the dice, chances are your dog saw something.

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    can't do much.
    turn and give them a look, wait a moment, if nothing say "did you give my number or call a no-bird"?
    if they say number go to work.
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    I would turn and politely say "Wasn't that a no-bird?"
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    Only the judges can call a no bird. No call...continue on.
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    Depends on who you are. Out here in the Pac NW , Cantrell or Bubba can get away with calling a no bird from the line it but if I say something they just tell me to run my dog. Hardly seems fair if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dman View Post
    Only the judges can call a no bird. No call...continue on.
    Yep I agree, but then that judge will be in my black book and to avoided altogether in the future....Just my opinion of course.... There are good judges.....

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    When judging , my co judge and I will discuss what is a no bird for each mark . This way ,even if I am watching the honor dog ,for example, the other judge and I are on the same page ,and the no bird is called.With less use of hand thrown birds ,seems pretty clear what is a no bird and what isn't . From a handler's POV , I had a flyer hit the ground running. I saw it ,judges didn't. After I sent the dog (in a Q) I told them about the runner . They asked what did I want to do? I said I'll let you know in a minute .. Bird didn't go far into the woods , dog ran to the AOF ,bird moved , dog got it .Sometimes you do get the bear regards .
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