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    I just had a Surgical AI using Frozen on a maiden female, ultra sound showed 6-8 pups
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy Avery View Post
    I just had a Surgical AI using Frozen on a maiden female, ultra sound showed 6-8 pups
    I have two maiden females that in the near future I am breeding to top Field Lines. I have a reproduction vet that I have a lot of confidence in. I also have a show lab person that is going to help me whelp pups. I am trying to do everything right and I really appreciate your insight, my vet is off on hio surgery. I need to confer with him.

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    The reason we went the surgical route is because she was put with two different experienced studs over 2- 6 month periods and neither
    showed interest and she was there during her whole cycle, should of done progesterone and tried vaginal AI, but it did not work out both times.
    So to make sure she was able to breed, I found a FC and done frozen, thank the lord it took, because its expensive and there's no guarantee there will be pups! She was bred on day 10 and she has 6-8 pups maybe more due April.

    Not to hijack this thread, but has anyone ever have a female that did not put off the "good smell" when she was ready/ovulating?
    This is the 1st female that I have had that no males where interested?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amy Avery View Post
    The reason we went the surgical route is because she was put with two different experienced studs over 2- 6 month periods and neither
    showed interest and she was there during her whole cycle, should of done progesterone and tried vaginal AI, but it did not work out both times.
    So to make sure she was able to breed, I found a FC and done frozen, thank the lord it took, because its expensive and there's no guarantee there will be pups! She was bred on day 10 and she has 6-8 pups maybe more due April.

    Not to hijack this thread, but has anyone ever have a female that did not put off the "good smell" when she was ready/ovulating?
    This is the 1st female that I have had that no males where interested?
    My issue is both Field Dogs that I am using, are no longer living.

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    I guess the question from a no-longer living male would be how many vials are left? A bunch of vials (not a big issue to miss) only a few (owner might want a proven bitch)

    I'm sure a female can make a difference however I think it mostly revolves around the condition on the semen when it's thawed. I did a Frozen from a no longer living male (only a few vials left, ~15yr old semen) It was the line;I wanted for my girl so I took the gamble; However the frozen was only rated as Fair when thawed; it was barely good enough for the vet to even try it (because of this stud fee only cost me the shipping etc.). It appeared to take and then reabsorbed; so I lost the gamble. Bred her again with chilled from a close relative (which did take). Had a friend get 12 pups on a maiden bitch with about the same story, only one vial left from his old champion (~20yr old semen, received a high rating when thawed). He choose to back up the litter with fresh AI different male; Added expense of DNA testing, but they were pretty happy when all 12 pups were from the frozen. So they won the gamble. If they had lost they still had a good chance of a litter to help with procedure costs from the fresh AI.
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    Too many variables to simple say yes or no. Is the stud dog alive and still fertile or is the semen limited? If alive, then it doesn't matter if it's her first litter, though I'd ask why frozen over fresh chilled? If the semen is limited, then I'd ask more questions about the bitch.... I see a lot of "she's a xxfamous dogxx daughter" descriptions, but so what? She has a mom (bitchline) and what has SHE done???

    I used frozen semen for a first breeding on a MBISS Am/Can CH JH Bitch with a great sire AND dam, and had a nice litter. I wouldn't have done a surgical AI with frozen on a bitch who hasn't done anything herself, just because she happens to have a nice sire and passed a couple clearances. If she's "just a brood bitch" for you, I'd do a simple breeding (live cover or regular AI/TCI) first to make sure she can get pregnant and produce something you'd want to move forward with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicole View Post
    Too many variables to simple say yes or no. Is the stud dog alive and still fertile or is the semen limited? If alive, then it doesn't matter if it's her first litter, though I'd ask why frozen over fresh chilled? If the semen is limited, then I'd ask more questions about the bitch.... I see a lot of "she's a xxfamous dogxx daughter" descriptions, but so what? She has a mom (bitchline) and what has SHE done???

    I used frozen semen for a first breeding on a MBISS Am/Can CH JH Bitch with a great sire AND dam, and had a nice litter. I wouldn't have done a surgical AI with frozen on a bitch who hasn't done anything herself, just because she happens to have a nice sire and passed a couple clearances. If she's "just a brood bitch" for you, I'd do a simple breeding (live cover or regular AI/TCI) first to make sure she can get pregnant and produce something you'd want to move forward with.

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    I am breeding to Reba to a dead NFC dog. Reba has her HRCH and 1 MH pass. I will not breed her till I get her MH. I do not have any brood bitches. Reba is out of top field trial lines. her mother has 26 MH passes, her sire Esprit's power play needs no introduction here.When Schultz gets back, I will ask him.

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    Hi,
    Personally i don't do frozen on a maiden female, since i leave here in Québec, Canada those breeding are extremely expensive and before investing those $ i want to know what type of mother she will be and if she is a good producer. On first breeding i breed her to a top local proven stud, then if i'm satisfied on her next breeding i do frozen.
    Never done semen.
    I have bread 4 times with frozen to Grady, Pirate......10, 6, 9, 6 pups with 3 different females.
    From my repro specialist, the timing of the operation is the secret of the success.

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    Hi Alain

    Very expensive here as well. How's the bear hunting in Quebec ?

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    Hi Jeffrey,
    I'm not a bear hunter, but one thing for sure it is very successful.

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