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Thread: Is EE fair to handlers?

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    I have noticed in recent trials contestants getting the same numbers (or close to the same) in both AA stakes. In this weekends Rockwall Trial, Lauren Hays is going to be third in the Open with dog number 21 and second in the Amateur with dog number 20, The Dow number is 19, I know because I follow her in the Am on Saturday.

    There used to be a feature where the Club Secretary could redo the draw to keep this stuff from happening. Is this still the case? If not, there's a serious flaw in the system and it seems to me the program could be re written to keep this from happening. I can see where a handler that has multiple dogs might get first or second with his dogs in both stakes, but Lauren only has Slider. If there is a dog that might overcome this, it certainly is Slider but when pheasants are thrown in tests, being in the first five dogs is a very difficult task to overcome.
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    I dunno but the very first time I double staked my dawg I was 3rd in the Open and leadoff in the Am in my brief career with only one dawg.
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    If you could get EE to give you the draw to follow her all week end I would say you're damn lucky...

    On a serious note, by the 3rd/4th series does it really matter
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    I don't know about any flaw in the system. It is supposed to be random.
    Yes. As Sec, I can tweak the draw. Or, redo it.

    But, sometimes there is a subtraction. Starting number for open/am, could be very different. So, changing a number, might make it worse. Not better.

    No one knows what the dow will be,, when the draw is finalized. Just as easily could have been late in the running order, not early.
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    Open and Am start on different days so doesn't matter, luck of the draw.
    Where it gets hard on the double staked dog is if they don't run Open 1st series till Saturday morning then by the time Saturday is over they've run 6 series if both water blinds get done.
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    Well if EE is a random draw then what are the odds in an amat that 4 Chessies are entered and they come up 34,35, 36, 37 in the draw? Oh yeah only four entered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    Well if EE is a random draw then what are the odds in an amat that 4 Chessies are entered and they come up 34,35, 36, 37 in the draw? Oh yeah only four entered?
    If they are using a GOOD randomizer to generate the list the odds are slim to none,

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    This has happened to me on more than once. Almost same number with same dog in both AA stakes. Yes I think EE's random number generator is not the best. It happens a surprising number of times when the dow is a low number and there is no subtraction.
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    Try changing the handler name slightly and you get greater difference in dogs number
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    Im sure that works but a "good" random number generator would solve the issue.
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