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    Just saw in The Magnolia Hunt Test premium that they are instituting a $20 scratch fee for ALL scratches-NO EXCEPTIONS

    Is that legal?
    I thought scratches before closing and scratches for injured dogs and dogs in season were to be given a full refund

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    Just saw in The Magnolia Hunt Test premium that they are instituting a $20 scratch fee for ALL scratches-NO EXCEPTIONS

    Is that legal?
    I thought scratches before closing and scratches for injured dogs and dogs in season were to be given a full refund
    That is what the rules say. Bitch in season, dog injured or dies, must be refunded in full, although the club may require vet certificate. Most folks are okay with a scratch fee--especially in lieu of a vet certificate, but I have seen someone make it an issue and the club has to follow the rules.

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    I think the poster makes a good point. Since I run more than 1 dog, I have decided in the past just to carry the girl in season and let the CHIEFS decide whether she should run or not. I let THEM scratch her and not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    I think the poster makes a good point. Since I run more than 1 dog, I have decided in the past just to carry the girl in season and let the CHIEFS decide whether she should run or not. I let THEM scratch her and not me.
    And doing that doesn't bother the other folks running their dogs
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    I read the refund policy. It was clear to me that the "NO exceptions" was aimed at the scratches not meeting the AKC Criteria.
    Last edited by Kyle Bertram; 03-25-2014 at 09:10 PM. Reason: for clarity

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    I think the poster makes a good point. Since I run more than 1 dog, I have decided in the past just to carry the girl in season and let the CHIEFS decide whether she should run or not. I let THEM scratch her and not me.
    When you do this, you are in violation of the rules. I would say you are putting yourself at risk of being asked to leave the grounds or find a place to board your dog for the weekend. Not to mention if it was intentional, clubs have the authority to ban you from future events. So be careful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    I think the poster makes a good point. Since I run more than 1 dog, I have decided in the past just to carry the girl in season and let the CHIEFS decide whether she should run or not. I let THEM scratch her and not me.
    Cary, I thjink that puts you in violation of the rules.
    The rule doesn't just prohibit bitches in season from running the test, it is no bitches on the grounds of the test site.

    I assune to know the rationale of Magnolia's policy; i. e. to help prevent what happened earlier this year to a club in Texas that got left holding the bag when some pros scratched. This left the club with only 40 or 50 dogs actually running in a 180 dog Master that had been filled up shortly after opening. This seems to be more fallout from the ridiculous race to enter MH tests before they close. Pros seem to feel a need to preserve those precious spots. Later if their plans change and they decide to not run or run somewhere else the original club is left stuck holding the bag; having greatly increased costs, that won't be used or offset due to the unfilled spots after the scratches.

    I feel for the clubs being exposed to that risk. However the upshot could be people being like you and bringing dogs that may be hurt of in season.

    Another example of why something needs to be done ASAP to clear up the ridiculous MH race to get entered fiasco

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    Refunds
    Scratches received after the draw will not be accepted unless accompanied by a veterinarian's signed statement indicating that the dog is ill, injured, or in season. All refund requests must be in writing to the Hunt Test Secretary within 7 days of the closing of the event. Refunds for Dogs withdrawn for any other reason will require approval by the Hunt Test Chairman and the Hunt Test Committee. There will be a $20.00 Processing Fee deducted for all scratches.-NO EXCEPTIONS!
    Here above, is the quote "cut and pasted" from the premium. What was clear to you is not clear to me. So please lend me some of your clarity to this issue

    It doesn't say "All exceptions" as you stated, rather it says "NO EXCEPTIONS!" { the capital letters and exclamation point are in the Premium and were not added by me}
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Bertram View Post
    I read the refund policy. It was clear to me that the "All exceptions" was aimed at the scratches not meeting the AKC Criteria.
    Last edited by mjh345; 03-24-2014 at 08:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    Refunds
    Scratches received after the draw will not be accepted unless accompanied by a veterinarian's signed statement indicating that the dog is ill, injured, or in season. All refund requests must be in writing to the Hunt Test Secretary within 7 days of the closing of the event. Refunds for Dogs withdrawn for any other reason will require approval by the Hunt Test Chairman and the Hunt Test Committee. There will be a $20.00 Processing Fee deducted for all scratches.-NO EXCEPTIONS!
    Here above, is the quote "cut and pasted" from the premium. What was clear to you is not clear to me. So please lend me some of your clarity to this issue

    It doesn't say "All exceptions" as you stated, rather it says "NO EXCEPTIONS!" { the capital letters and exclamation point are in the Premium and were not added by me}
    I kind of read it the way Kyle did--probably because if it refers to dogs scratched for any other reason, it is within the rules.

    Section 5. Bitches In Season. Bitches in season shall not be eligible for entry in any Hunting Test and shall not be allowed on the grounds. Entry fees paid for a bitch withdrawn because of coming in season or for a dog withdrawn because of an injury or illness, or for a dog that dies, shall be refunded in full by the test-giving club. Prior to paying such refund, the club may require an appropriate veterinary certificate. In the event a dog is withdrawn for other reasons, the test-giving club is free to formulate its own policy with reference to refunds provided that said policy shall be fixed in advance of the mailing of the premium list for any particular Test.
    If you scratch your dog for one of the reasons above and have a veterinary certificate, the scratch policy does not apply and the club *must* refund all of your $$.

    Might be worth reaching out to the club for clarification, though, as to their intentions if you are worried about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caryalsobrook View Post
    I think the poster makes a good point. Since I run more than 1 dog, I have decided in the past just to carry the girl in season and let the CHIEFS decide whether she should run or not. I let THEM scratch her and not me.

    Are you serious?? You are admitting to knowingly violating the Regulations & Guidelines for AKC Hunting tests for Retrievers? You are admitting to showing such poor sportsmanship? You are admitting to potentially create problems for fellow participants and their dogs? And, to top it off, you are admitting to this on an open forum? Granted you are not using your given name on the post, but I'm sure many of your fellow participants know who you are.

    Way to go....you should be very proud of your sportsmanship....NOT!
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