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    Quote Originally Posted by shinyhead View Post
    The sky is falling, the sky is falling !!!! Chicken Little regards.
    Ok, the empoyers are not going to end employer provided insurance and force nearly 60 - 70 million more folks on to the health care exchanges like HHS and Odumbo want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    In our case nothing much will change. The employer already does and has always met the requirements of the the provisions of the ACA. I realize that we are fortunate, but so are many others. Yes, there will be changes for other people employed by small companies. The whole mess could have been avoided if universal single payer had been instituted like in most other countries.
    why would we want to be like other countries?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Turner View Post
    why would we want to be like other countries?
    Because "Socialism" is so enlightening and pure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Turner View Post
    why would we want to be like other countries?
    You won't believe me but i'll just say that some other industrialized countries do provide quality HC at a lessor cost. You could find it for yourself, but you won't. If I find it for you you'll just say it is liberal media spin.

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    PS We already have socialized HC for a large segment of the population.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt McKenzie View Post
    What about when we're not "really, really sick"? Do we ask what bloodwork is going to cost? Do we ask what an x-ray costs? Do we ask them what they charge for sutures or any other minor procedure? Why not?
    I tend to agree with Bill that we don't bother comparing costs, because we don't really care. Based on what I read here and in other places, we care about what our insurance costs (unless the cost is hidden in the case of employer-provided policies) and we care about our co-pay. The rest doesn't really matter, because someone else writes those checks.
    I suspect most of us shop around when we are looking for a veterinarian and cost is a very important factor in our decision. I also suspect that very few if any of us shop around for a physician with cost as any part of the decision.

    Be careful where this might go, Matt. With all this talk about cost, ROI, priorities, etc. you are starting to sound like a good candidate to sit on one of those "death panels".



    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Turner View Post
    why would we want to be like other countries?
    I haven't heard anyone saying that "being like other countries" is a good reason to do anything. A better question would be, "why should we be so bent on being different from other countries?".

    Are WE the only ones with GOOD ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JS View Post
    Be careful where this might go, Matt. With all this talk about cost, ROI, priorities, etc. you are starting to sound like a good candidate to sit on one of those "death panels".


    I haven't heard anyone saying that "being like other countries" is a good reason to do anything. A better question would be, "why should we be so bent on being different from other countries?".

    Are WE the only ones with GOOD ideas?

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    I don't understand the leap in logic. What does my question have to do with "death panels"?

    I think that collectively Americans have plenty of both good and bad ideas. What I don't support is compromising the fundamental concepts that made this country successful in order to adopt policies that have had questionable success when inacted by other nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt McKenzie View Post
    What about when we're not "really, really sick"? Do we ask what bloodwork is going to cost? Do we ask what an x-ray costs? Do we ask them what they charge for sutures or any other minor procedure? Why not?
    I tend to agree with Bill that we don't bother comparing costs, because we don't really care. Based on what I read here and in other places, we care about what our insurance costs (unless the cost is hidden in the case of employer-provided policies) and we care about our co-pay. The rest doesn't really matter, because someone else writes those checks.
    I suspect most of us shop around when we are looking for a veterinarian and cost is a very important factor in our decision. I also suspect that very few if any of us shop around for a physician with cost as any part of the decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by Matt McKenzie View Post
    I don't understand the leap in logic. What does my question have to do with "death panels"?
    Well, I guess I should just give up trying to be "cute". That was intended to be TIC.

    The point that crossed my mind when I typed that was, here you are, questioning ... on as personal level ... , the wisdom of medical treatment without regard to cost. If you follow that logic far enough, you will find a point where you will disagree with some decision-maker about whether a certain medical treatment is warranted ... "death panels" as they are referred to by some.

    Those decisions are never black & white, but that's a topic of it's own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt McKenzie View Post
    I don't understand the leap in logic. What does my question have to do with "death panels"?

    I think that collectively Americans have plenty of both good and bad ideas. What I don't support is compromising the fundamental concepts that made this country successful in order to adopt policies that have had questionable success when inacted by other nations.
    Those "fundamental concepts" were compromised many decades ago.
    If our healthcare system is so superior then why do we not get more bang for our buck than most other developed countries

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    Those "fundamental concepts" were compromised many decades ago.
    If our healthcare system is so superior then why do we not get more bang for our buck than most other developed countries
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    Problem is that many, including some on this website, do not understand fundamental economics. Therefore they cannot understand why the traditional American way of free market capitalism has worked so well within our country. Competition is the driving factor not Government intervention and control.

    We all recognize that the US medical system has been moving towards socialization for decades, medicare and medicaid saw to that. Regardless, their has still existed room for freemarket competition, especially in the world of research and development. If Obamacare is not stopped from going full circle to a single payer system, the R & D will be limited by what 'Government' feels needs to be investigated, not what the market demands.

    How about those fine cars that GM built based on Government direction.....how would you like that in your options for medical care.....?

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