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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDuck View Post
    . I worry more about the grand parents than the parents in looking for potential.

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    Please explain why?

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    My first Lab was a accidental breeding of two Amish dogs. They were going to "cull" her because she had such a huge white blaze on her chest. She went to AKC Junior, then Senior hunter in 8 straight passes, and also manage some derby points. She would have made Master had I not had kids, a High Maintenance wife(Now ex) and bills to pay. Ran outa free money.
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    Sorry if someone else has said this or not yet...

    But when it comes to breeding it is about the "get" .. you can have a Champion dog and he may produce nothing like himself. A good sire consistently produces examples of himself. They put a "stamp" on their get.

    Great dogs can come from any breeding. Luck is involved.

    Best example of breeding being a roll of the dice is the great horse Secretariat. None better them him. He produced very few winners. His grandchildren did better then his offspring.

    In dog breeding you do not necessarily want the new phenom tearing up the field trial circuit as your Sire. You want a pup sired by his father.
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    Surprised you Golden folks haven't jumped on this one, FC/AFC Benjamin Rajah Frisbie and he sired one of the few Golden National Derby champions! Don't think Ben has any titles in three generations maybe more. Bred to his son once with my GRCA OD, A zillion years ago when I was into Goldens.
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    FC CFC Black Panther lived a great Cinderella story.
    Part of it was printed in a DU article last year.

    They didn't print his Sire's name for some strange reason though.............................

    Re: Orin Clark Benson Obit, Ottawa, WI. 4-15-14 7-9-05.
    Two memorable black labradors Orin Benson trained were FC Black Panther A853111 3/16/44 owned by C. W. Carlson and FC Mully Gully Goo A963683
    9/11/44 owned by John C. Sturtevant, Wausau, WI.
    Black Panther descended from ordinary hunting stock - Blackout Nigger (Duke Smithy-Trixey) ex Dakota Princess ** (Black Fox-Woodlake Queen)
    ** The Labrador Retriever Club 1931-1956 25th Anniversary Book lists Dakota Princess as Panther's Dam; The Retriever F.T. News states Panther's Dam as Debbie of Holly Hill.

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    FC Pintails Hunters Choice, she was given to me that I later sold and was Bobby Georges first FC

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    Please explain why?
    The grand parents have had fuller careers than the parents and if all are strong with proven off spring and titles and honors I expect the pups to be sound. Parents often are so young that they have not shown much to anyone but the owner. also..... Charles Morgan said the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDuck View Post
    The grand parents have had fuller careers than the parents and if all are strong with proven off spring and titles and honors I expect the pups to be sound. Parents often are so young that they have not shown much to anyone but the owner. also..... Charles Morgan said the same thing.
    What percentage of the pups DNA comes from the parents?
    What percentage from the grandparents?

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    I'm not a biologist, but I think it's probably 100% of their genetics from their parents. Whatever they get from their grandparents had to have come through mom and dad first.
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