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Thread: Rand Paul Is Right: Carter Was Thriftier Than Reagan

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    Default Rand Paul Is Right: Carter Was Thriftier Than Reagan

    From the Conservative website...

    Rand Paul Is Right: Carter Was Thriftier Than Reagan

    http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/2...arter-was-thri

    I don't mean to give anyone here on POTUS a heart attack but...

    When it comes to debt, there's no question that Reagan was worse. Over an eight-year reign, he tallied up $1.4 trillion in deficits, or an average of $177 billion per year. Carter—a famously cheapskate Southern Baptist—racked up just $253 billion over four years, for an average deficit of $63 billon per year. Tax revenue went up sharply under Reagan, for sure, but like a Hollywood big shot, he still managed to spend ever larger amounts, resulting in an average annual deficit of 4.1 percent of GDP. The Peanut Farmer From Plains? A relatively tiny 2.3 percent of GDP. (All this data if from the Congressional Budget Office.)


    ...Reagan also grew the size of the Federal government to an all time high excluding military. During the Reagan years there were more Federal employees that under Clinton or Obama.
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    Great post but the facts still will not penetrate the delusion. You also forgot to include all the tax increases. http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news...n_years_taxes/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry V View Post
    Great post but the facts still will not penetrate the delusion. You also forgot to include all the tax increases. http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/08/news...n_years_taxes/

    No doubt that he was a tax and spend Republican. That's why it is so amusing to me when I hear people say they are a Reagan Conservative. Like Bush 43, Reagan was a Fiscal Liberal and a Social Conservative.

    Reagan was good for the Country's moral at the time and he had some awesome quotes and quips. The problem was is that he never practiced what he said in his quotes. Always making fun of the inefficiency of government yet grew it to the all time high to date.

    From your article...

    "By today's standards, the Gipper would easily qualify for status as a back-stabbing, treacherous RINO [Republican in Name Only]," wrote Tax Analysts contributing editor Martin Sullivan, in an article for Tax Notes in May.
    Thanks in part to the increases in defense spending during his administration, Reagan also didn't really reduce the size of government. Annual spending averaged 22.4% of GDP on his watch, which is above today's 40-year average of 20.7%, and above the 20.8% average under Carter.

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    On another note, I think that it was during his administration when the label Conservative was corrupted. The man that first coined the term, Wm F Buckley Jr and championed by Sen. Barry Goldwater has to be turning in his grave at the thought of what it has become today!
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    Just like I said a few threads ago, history will tell a much different story about Carter.

    History will be kind to Obama too.

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    Yeah, those Carters days were the best weren't they??
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    Yeah, those Carters days were the best weren't they??
    Tough times but he did not cause them. War is who is to blame!

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    Carter had nothing to do with anything.
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    Carter had to deal with failed Foreign Policy by previous Administrations especially in Iran where we installed our tyrant the Shah. The hostage taking was a direct result of our meddling in the affairs of the Iranian people.

    The Camp David Accords were a milestone in keeping the peace between Egypt and Israel. This country needs more Foreign Policy like Camp David Accords and less Foreign Policy dictated by the lobbyist that represent military contractors.

    Had Carter decided to negotiate with the terrorist in Iran like Reagan did, he could have ended the hostage situation much sooner.

    For the record, I am totally against negotiating with terrorist! But then again, our Foreign Policy leaves much to be desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Carter had to deal with failed Foreign Policy by previous Administrations especially in Iran where we installed our tyrant the Shah. The hostage taking was a direct result of our meddling in the affairs of the Iranian people.

    The Camp David Accords were a milestone in keeping the peace between Egypt and Israel.

    Had Carter decided to negotiate with the terrorist in Iran like Reagan did, he could have ended the hostage situation much sooner.

    For the record, I am totally against negotiating with terrorist! But then again, our Foreign Policy leaves much to be desired.
    Franco, what day were the hostages released from Iran?
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    Quote Originally Posted by freezeland View Post
    Franco, what day were the hostages released from Iran?
    Reagan had it arrange to happen near his taking of office.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Contra_Affair


    Handwritten notes taken by Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger on December 7, 1985, indicate that Reagan was aware of potential hostage transfers with Iran, as well as the sale of Hawk and TOW missiles to "moderate elements" within that country.[9] Weinberger wrote that Reagan said "he could answer to charges of illegality but couldn't answer to the charge that 'big strong President Reagan passed up a chance to free the hostages'
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