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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I'm not sure Eric

    We have borrowing money from china for a long time. The tortoises were plentiful 20 yeras ago according to residents,,,now they say you hardly see one. I will agree that the Bundy's do owe something to the BLM. Nothing stays free forever. Nevada grazing is crap. So I head of cattle needs many many acres to sustain. many farmers and ranchers have lost their livelyhood here out west because some cry baby finds a small population of a snail or some kind of critter which by the wy is plentyfull most ever where else i,,,and the u.s.government takes their property.

    I think we need to steal all the farmers property around here because the pheasant population is threatened by farming practices.

    There is a pure evil behind all this crap

    We will have to wit 8 or 10 years to see how this plays out .
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    I do recognize the sarcasm, but a poor analogy. Pheasant are NOT a native species. Bobwhite would be a better analog, but still a poor analogy as in the Bundy case WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC LAND!!! The govt IS NOT SEIZING PRIVATE LAND. Bundy DOESN'T OWN, HAS NEVER OWNED, the land in question.
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    Just think what the government would do if instead of cattle on these grounds ,they were illegal aliens.
    I'll bet they would be handing out guns and throwing them free food and water. And escorting them to the emergency room for a scratch on their finger.
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    Not sure if this is accurate: Bundy, in a radio interview, asserted that the govt, itself, has had to kill some of these turtles due to over-population of same.

    Amazing, isn't it, that the "protected" area surrounding that solar farm extends 175 miles south! After learning that the director of BLM was a former advisor to Reid, it might not be surprising to find Harry's arthritic thumb in this cow-pie aferall.

    I believe that various govts (Fed, state, local) now control much more of the land in the US that the Founders ever imagined possible.

    One article on Bundy cited that he is the last cattle rancher left in the area. The others went out of business. Perhaps that is why the local population is supporting him so strongly? It could also explain the price of beef:
    A dwindling number of cattle and growing export demand from countries such as China and Japan have caused the average retail cost of fresh beef to climb to $5.28 a pound in February, up almost a quarter from January and the highest price since 1987.


    Everything that's produced is being consumed, said Kevin Good, an analyst at CattleFax, a Colorado-based information group. And prices likely will stay high for a couple of years as cattle producers start to rebuild their herds amid big questions about whether the Southwest and parts of the Midwest will get enough rain to replenish pastures.
    So, Michelle Obama may get her wish ... people will not eat as much red meat, because they can't afford to. However, with the cost of fresh produce, they may not be able to afford that either! Forced to more of the cheaper carbs, obesity will not be abated though. Increases in food prices will also influence the costs of SNAP and the school lunch/breakfast programs.

    Some years back when I was feeding my old dog (who had cancer) a hi-pro diet of home-cooked fresh food, I could buy chicken leg/thighs on sale for as low as 59 cents/lb. Haven't seen that price in at least 5 years. Occasionally, I'll see that for around 99 cents/lb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Just think what the government would do if instead of cattle on these grounds ,they were illegal aliens.
    I'll bet they would be handing out guns and throwing them free food and water. And escorting them to the emergency room for a scratch on their finger.
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    And, on top of that, make them free turtle soup!!!


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    You guys might like Michigan's law permitting the state to exercise eminent domain on your property and mineral rights if a mining company wants to dig on your land. Most states allow eminent domain for utilities. That's how the my grandparents lost the farm to a nuclear plant.

    In this case the man did not own the land. He had this feud going long before solar power was anywhere on the horizon. A landlord can evict a tenant when he wants to convert the property to another use, especially if the tenant isn't paying the rent.

    If you note from the news stories, other owner's cattle was also seized besides Bundy's. They aren't grieving to to the right wing nut job militias like Bundy. He not only violated the law. His threats to use firearms and recruitment of those eager to do the same is a menace to public safety. Cliven Bundy is not a hero. He is a criminal.
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    "I believe that various govts (Fed, state, local) now control much more of the land in the US that the Founders ever imagined possible."


    I think you need to consider that in the founders' time, Ohio was a frontier territory. There are probably a LOT of things they never imagined possible, in this regard.


    "So, Michelle Obama may get her wish ... people will not eat as much red meat, because they can't afford to. However, with the cost of fresh produce, they may not be able to afford that either! Forced to more of the cheaper carbs, obesity will not be abated though. Increases in food prices will also influence the costs of SNAP and the school lunch/breakfast programs.

    Some years back when I was feeding my old dog (who had cancer) a hi-pro diet of home-cooked fresh food, I could buy chicken leg/thighs on sale for as low as 59 cents/lb. Haven't seen that price in at least 5 years. Occasionally, I'll see that for around 99 cents/lb. "


    The almost decade-old drought in the West and parts of the South is the cause of lower beef production, grain production and many vegetable crops, which results in higher prices to the consumer.

    I know it is both fashionable and fun to blame these things on the current Administration, but the fact is, cattle need to graze, grain and vegetable farms need water and poultry farms need grain to be successful enough to feed 325 million people. The population of our our country has more than doubled in my lifetime. Any time farmers have less than optimal conditions, it is difficult to meet the current demand for food, which results in higher prices to the consumer.

    Under these conditions, large farming conglomerates have the advantage over the smaller operations. When they fail and sell their land, it is either lost to farmng forever, through subdivisions for housing, shopping malls or one of the large corporations buys them out, further strengthening their position in the marketplace.

    But, hey, in the alternate universe which is POTUS place, it's ALL Obama's fault.....-Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    "So, Michelle Obama may get her wish ... people will not eat as much red meat, because they can't afford to. However, with the cost of fresh produce, they may not be able to afford that either! Forced to more of the cheaper carbs, obesity will not be abated though. Increases in food prices will also influence the costs of SNAP and the school lunch/breakfast programs.

    Some years back when I was feeding my old dog (who had cancer) a hi-pro diet of home-cooked fresh food, I could buy chicken leg/thighs on sale for as low as 59 cents/lb. Haven't seen that price in at least 5 years. Occasionally, I'll see that for around 99 cents/lb. "


    The almost decade-old drought in the West and parts of the South is the cause of lower beef production, grain production and many vegetable crops, which results in higher prices to the consumer.

    I know it is both fashionable and fun to blame these things on the current Administration, but the fact is, cattle need to graze, grain and vegetable farms need water and poultry farms need grain to be successful enough to feed 325 million people. The population of our our country has more than doubled in my lifetime. Any time farmers have less than optimal conditions, it is difficult to meet the current demand for food, which results in higher prices to the consumer.

    Under these conditions, large farming conglomerates have the advantage over the smaller operations. When they fail and sell their land, it is either lost to farmng forever, through subdivisions for housing, shopping malls or one of the large corporations buys them out, further strengthening their position in the marketplace.

    But, hey, in the alternate universe which is POTUS place, it's ALL Obama's fault.....-Paul
    You mean it's not Bushs' fault anymore?
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    Quote Originally Posted by road kill View Post
    You mean it's not Bushs' fault anymore?
    NOPE! We have a new pinata!

    We just need to be patient. We'll have someone new to blame in a couple years.......

    I wish we'd wake up and start blaming the Legislators and start replacing them wholesale. Changing figureheads is not going to do what we need to have happen.-Paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by paul young View Post
    NOPE! We have a new pinata!

    We just need to be patient. We'll have someone new to blame in a couple years.......

    I wish we'd wake up and start blaming the Legislators and start replacing them wholesale. Changing figureheads is not going to do what we need to have happen.-Paul
    Simply put ..........its our fault!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowtown View Post
    Only Harry Reid can answer that question.

    The Bureau of Land Management, whose director was Sen. Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) former senior adviser, has purged documents from its web site stating that the agency wants Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s cattle off of the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to make way for solar panel power stations.

    Deleted from BLM.gov but reposted for posterity by the Free Republic, the BLM document entitled “Cattle Trespass Impacts” directly states that Bundy’s cattle “impacts” solar development, more specifically the construction of “utility-scale solar power generation facilities” on “public lands.”

    “Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” the document states.

    Another BLM report entitled “Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone” (BLM Technical Note 444) reveals that Bundy’s land in question is within the “Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone and surrounding area” which is part of a broad U.S. Department of Energy program for “Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States” on land “managed” by BLM.
    How do you square these accusations with my post #99 in this thread, demonstrating that 9000 acres were approved for sale 175 miles south of Bundy's ranch in Laughlin? I included Clark County's actual news brief on the solar farm, and a map showing that a drive to Bundy's from that site was over 2 1/2 hours long?

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