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    Quote Originally Posted by luvmylabs23139 View Post
    !700's? Nevada was not a state back then!

    In 1846 a war erupted between Mexico and the United States, prompted by land-hungry North Americans, who wanted to obtain trading ports on the Pacific coast and to spread the wings of the eagle from Atlantic to Pacific. This conflict, which lasted only two years, resulted in the extension of the United States to the western coast. With the signing of the treaty ending the war -- the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo -- in 1848, the United States had succeeded in increasing its territory. Then, it had to face the difficult problem of dealing with an important provision of the agreement -- the many land titles granted by the Mexicans.
    Before Mexico became independent from Spain in 1821, the vast domain in the southwestern section of the United States had been part of the Spanish Empire. The Spanish established settlements along the West Coast called missions, as a base to convert the Indians to Catholicism. In and around several pueblos, or large towns, Spain made large land grants to selected individuals to raise cattle. These ranchos were encouraged by their government, especially in California, which was well suited for this type of an economy. Ranchos were usually not well defined, and many of them lacked clear title. This system, which was continued by the Mexican government, resulted in a haphazard pattern of land ownership. It worked because there was no pressure from an expanding population. With plenty of land and few settlers, the undefined boundaries of the ranchos seldom came under dispute.



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    Quote Originally Posted by .44 magnum View Post
    Do you really need to manage a desert? Give ranchers a hard time? Families that never had to pay fees before 1993. The Gov't only needs to do such things because it is so big.

    There are those that believe the Gov't is the be all end all of all our issues today. I am just not one of them. Duplication of local, state, and federal authorities drives up the taxes you and I have to pay each year. I am sick of the size the Federal Gov't has become. They got their nose into everything.

    What makes you think that there were no fees before 1993? I haven't found that anywhere, but what I have read about BLM land seems to indicate that there have been fees since sometime in the 1970's at least, maybe before that even.
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    http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/grazing.html

    A little more FYI not that it matters to some...this took a very dedicated search....

    BTW....commercially operated search engines have become almost useless on some topics. The ranking is by hits and one needs to do very refined searches to find info on line. Key words and phrases regarding this topic have been overwhelmed by the bloggers.

    Anyone with hints, suggestions to search topics would be welcome to this internet novice. JD
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    I'm curious- why in the wide world of sports would the BLM- an organization charged with the administration of land owned by the Gooberment (BTW most of which is uninhabitable desert) has on staff a group of trained snipers?

    Wonder how many other Gooberment agencies/administrations/commissions/WTFever have trained snipers ready to deploy at a moments notice. This is a matter that has been in progress for 20 years and now for reasons known only to Harry the thief we need 200 armed troops to resolve?

    Something smells real bad here regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    I'm curious- why in the wide world of sports would the BLM- an organization charged with the administration of land owned by the Gooberment (BTW most of which is uninhabitable desert) has on staff a group of trained snipers?

    Wonder how many other Gooberment agencies/administrations/commissions/WTFever have trained snipers ready to deploy at a moments notice. This is a matter that has been in progress for 20 years and now for reasons known only to Harry the thief we need 200 armed troops to resolve?

    Something smells real bad here regards

    Bubba
    could have something to do with the reply on Bundy's website, " I have a shotgun and know how to use it.".... Do you need a link???

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    It would be real interesting to see the posts here if the story had broken before the BLM actually decided to enforce the courts' rulings. Just think, what if the headline had read something like: "Prominent Nevada Rancher Defies Government and Refuses to Pay in Excess of $1,000,000.00 in Back Grazing Fees". Everyone here would be speculating what kind of Crony Capitalism was happening (I kinda wonder who you have to know to get away with ignoring federal court orders for that many years myself). I bet most would see him as the leach that he is.
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    I can't speak to snipers, but I can speak to BLM special agents and rangers; I work with them now and again. There is a lot of crime on federal land. Their job is to prevent it, enforce the law, or solve the crime. Here in the San Juan Basin the energy companies suffer terrible losses with equipment vandalized and stolen. Rustling is common. And looters of archaeological sites are often tweakers, selling artifacts to buy meth. These criminals mostly carry guns. Further, its often one LE per 100,000 acres or so, so they are spread thin and usually alone. That's why BLM has law enforcement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr_dog_guy View Post
    I can't speak to snipers, but I can speak to BLM special agents and rangers; I work with them now and again. There is a lot of crime on federal land. Their job is to prevent it, enforce the law, or solve the crime. Here in the San Juan Basin the energy companies suffer terrible losses with equipment vandalized and stolen. Rustling is common. And looters of archaeological sites are often tweakers, selling artifacts to buy meth. These criminals mostly carry guns. Further, its often one LE per 100,000 acres or so, so they are spread thin and usually alone. That's why BLM has law enforcement.
    They're spread so thin and yet they can muster choppers, armored vehicles, and snipers to go after a single rancher instead of the actual criminals doing damage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socks View Post
    They're spread so thin and yet they can muster choppers, armored vehicles, and snipers to go after a single rancher instead of the actual criminals doing damage
    A rancher who owes the people of the US over $1,000,000.00!!
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    Much to the dismay of the socialists and to the confusion of the sheeple, America and Her Patriots won this round.

    But as we all know, this isn't over.

    Wonder why the DHS purchased 800 million rounds of ammo? Now you know, they are preparing.
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