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    Quote Originally Posted by BonMallari View Post
    That is what is known as a "Pop"...lots of threads on the RTF about them, but the bottom line is that you want no part of them ....also for now you might want to stop the practice of running a blind in between marks, all it does right now is confuse the dog about the task at hand
    Actually I'd rerfer to it as a "no go"; want no part of those either

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    Actually I'd rerfer to it as a "no go"; want no part of those either

    probably more accurate description
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    If I do the blind first, I try not to line him to the mark but let him come in and place himself. I cue him "where's your mark" IMO
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    Do you use holding blinds in the field to hide your launchers? If distances are reasonable then both you and the dog should be able to pick them out. You might consider going to white stickmen for a while and run lots
    of singles.
    Are you using ducks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arnie View Post
    Gage has been a pretty good marker. We are training at Master level. Actually he has proven to be a better marker than I am and therein lies the problem. Even though he marks a fall if I'm not lined up exactly he will take my "line" even though he knows where the bird has dropped. I don't want to handle him to a mark. He doesn't pop and I don't want to get him started so I will walk out to the area of the fall and tell him to "hunt it up". He then goes right to where he knows the bird is.

    As a possible cure I have set up a holding blind that I stay behind and sit him in front of. He is very steady so no problem there. I've given him a number of singles and sent him remotely. That seemed to work. He goes straight to the fall. Also, I have done the "training alone" exercise where I put him in a sit and walk out up to 100+ yards and hand throw marks. He will sit until I send him and retrieve to me where we do it over again. This too seems to be working. He is relying on his own eyes instead of my body position.

    My question is how do we transition back to him regaining confidence in his own marks and not line up on me.

    He has passed three HRC Finished tests (out of four) and has had four great first series in AKC Master (unfortunately in four different tests).

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    Drakehaven, That almost went over my head. I haven't thought about spot bowling in many, many years.
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    I apologize if this over simplifying. If it's a left healing dog, point your left foot towards the memory bird right after it's thrown. When the dog returns he will be more or less lined up. I would run more singles so the dog grows confidence in his marking, than run some multiples. After that run about 80/20 singles to multiples. But after that's said you still need to learn to mark as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary Lynn Metras View Post
    If I do the blind first, I try not to line him to the mark but let him come in and place himself. I cue him "where's your mark" IMO
    This. Does anybody else's dog come back to the line and then back himself into heel pointed at the next bird? Mine has always done that and it seems to work for us.
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    Hmm I'd set him up for remote marking and sends; if your not beside him to screw him up, he should go to where he knows the bird is. Bring a nice chair to sit in why he does the work Problem Solved

    Still in training I wouldn't mess with him at the line, I'd send him; if he goes to the wrong place-or takes the wrong line (on a mark), I'd whistle sit him NO nick, Get in here!!! Get your mark (Resend), Dog learns it's his responsibility to get to the mark, the correct way. Regardless if handler sent him in the wrong direction, wrong line etc. Marks are his job, lining up correctly for marks is part of that job...Blinds are another matter entirely; probably why we have cues to tell a dog when it's his job or ours (Mark) (Dead Bird) (Leave it) etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RookieTrainer View Post
    This. Does anybody else's dog come back to the line and then back himself into heel pointed at the next bird? Mine has always done that and it seems to work for us.
    Bingo,

    If I throw multples, I know my pup has the mark when she looks over her shoulder at the memory mark on the way back in, She then backs her self into position, I take the bird or bummper from her mouth, I then confirm her mark with "that's right girl , that's your bird" and send her name. Big send if the bird is WAY out or little send if the bird is easy.

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