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    http://vatican.com/news/frame.aspx?u...s-pope-francis

    Mr Secretary General,

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    I am pleased to welcome you, Mr Secretary-General and the leading executive officers of the Agencies, Funds and Programmes of the United Nations and specialized Organizations, as you gather in Rome for the biannual meeting for strategic coordination of the United Nations System Chief Executives Board.

    It is significant that today’s meeting takes place shortly after the solemn canonization of my predecessors, Popes John XXIII and John Paul II. The new saints inspire us by their passionate concern for integral human development and for understanding between peoples. This concern was concretely expressed by the numerous visits of John Paul II to the Organizations headquartered in Rome and by his travels to New York, Geneva, Vienna, Nairobi and The Hague.

    I thank you, Mr Secretary-General, for your cordial words of introduction. I thank all of you, who are primarily responsible for the international system, for the great efforts being made to ensure world peace, respect for human dignity, the protection of persons, especially the poorest and most vulnerable, and harmonious economic and social development.

    The results of the Millennium Development Goals, especially in terms of education and the decrease in extreme poverty, confirm the value of the work of coordination carried out by this Chief Executives Board. At the same time, it must be kept in mind that the world’s peoples deserve and expect even greater results.

    An essential principle of management is the refusal to be satisfied with current results and to press forward, in the conviction that those gains are only consolidated by working to achieve even more. In the case of global political and economic organization, much more needs to be achieved, since an important part of humanity does not share in the benefits of progress and is in fact relegated to the status of second-class citizens. Future Sustainable Development Goals must therefore be formulated and carried out with generosity and courage, so that they can have a real impact on the structural causes of poverty and hunger, attain more substantial results in protecting the environment, ensure dignified and productive labor for all, and provide appropriate protection for the family, which is an essential element in sustainable human and social development. Specifically, this involves challenging all forms of injustice and resisting the "economy of exclusion", the "throwaway culture" and the "culture of death" which nowadays sadly risk becoming passively accepted.

    With this in mind, I would like to remind you, as representatives of the chief agencies of global cooperation, of an incident which took place two thousand years ago and is recounted in the Gospel of Saint Luke (19:1-10). It is the encounter between Jesus Christ and the rich tax collector Zacchaeus, as a result of which Zacchaeus made a radical decision of sharing and justice, because his conscience had been awakened by the gaze of Jesus. This same spirit should be at the beginning and end of all political and economic activity. The gaze, often silent, of that part of the human family which is cast off, left behind, ought to awaken the conscience of political and economic agents and lead them to generous and courageous decisions with immediate results, like the decision of Zacchaeus. Does this spirit of solidarity and sharing guide all our thoughts and actions?

    Today, in concrete terms, an awareness of the dignity of each of our brothers and sisters whose life is sacred and inviolable from conception to natural death must lead us to share with complete freedom the goods which God’s providence has placed in our hands, material goods but also intellectual and spiritual ones, and to give back generously and lavishly whatever we may have earlier unjustly refused to others.

    The account of Jesus and Zacchaeus teaches us that above and beyond economic and social systems and theories, there will always be a need to promote generous, effective and practical openness to the needs of others. Jesus does not ask Zacchaeus to change jobs nor does he condemn his financial activity; he simply inspires him to put everything, freely yet immediately and indisputably, at the service of others. Consequently, I do not hesitate to state, as did my predecessors (cf. JOHN PAUL II, Sollicitudo Rei Socialis, 42-43; Centesimus Annus, 43; BENEDICT XVI, Caritas in Veritate, 6; 24-40), that equitable economic and social progress can only be attained by joining scientific and technical abilities with an unfailing commitment to solidarity accompanied by a generous and disinterested spirit of gratuitousness at every level. A contribution to this equitable development will also be made both by international activity aimed at the integral human development of all the world’s peoples and by the legitimate redistribution of economic benefits by the State, as well as indispensable cooperation between the private sector and civil society.

    Consequently, while encouraging you in your continuing efforts to coordinate the activity of the international agencies, which represents a service to all humanity, I urge you to work together in promoting a true, worldwide ethical mobilization which, beyond all differences of religious or political convictions, will spread and put into practice a shared ideal of fraternity and solidarity, especially with regard to the poorest and those most excluded.

    Invoking divine guidance on the work of your Board, I also implore God’s special blessing for you, Mr Secretary-General, for the Presidents, Directors and Secretaries General present among us, and for all the personnel of the United Nations and the other international Agencies and Bodies, and their respective families.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henlee View Post
    perhaps he was thinking of this?

    Deuteronomy 15:7-11
    “If there is among you a poor man of your brethren, within any of the gates in your land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart nor shut your hand from your poor brother, but you shall open your hand wide to him and willingly lend him sufficient for his need, whatever he needs. Beware lest there be a wicked thought in your heart, saying, ‘The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand,’ and your eye be evil against your poor brother and you give him nothing, and he cry out to the LORD against you, and it become sin among you. You shall surely give to him, and your heart should not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the LORD your God will bless you in all your works and in all to which you put your hand. For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying, ‘You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land.’ ” (NKJV)
    Very good post. Note the word "lend". To me that means he should work if he is able and pay back as he can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charly_t View Post
    Very good post. Note the word "lend". To me that means he should work if he is able and pay back as he can.
    Read past the "lend" part and see what else it says. I interpret it as, whether he pays or not, you are to still give to him. I'm not a religious man at all, but I read it that way. Seems that the people on the right are so bent on the religious things, yet don't do what their God says to do in his written word. Strange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinyhead View Post
    Read past the "lend" part and see what else it says. I interpret it as, whether he pays or not, you are to still give to him. I'm not a religious man at all, but I read it that way. Seems that the people on the right are so bent on the religious things, yet don't do what their God says to do in his written word. Strange.
    Have read it all. I believe that if you read enough in the King James Bible you will find more on people who do not work etc. It makes it very clear that man kind is supposed to work not sit by and wait for others to provide everything for them. When a couple that we knew slightly ( back in my grade school days ) just kept having children and not feeding them very well the wife was always fat. And it was not pregnant fat it was all over her body. Poor little kids almost starving to death but she was eating well. I do not know my Bible as well as I should but I still remember part of it. You can't pick and choose a few verses and leave out the rest of that Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charly_t View Post
    Have read it all. I believe that if you read enough in the King James Bible you will find more on people who do not work etc. It makes it very clear that man kind is supposed to work not sit by and wait for others to provide everything for them. When a couple that we knew slightly ( back in my grade school days ) just kept having children and not feeding them very well the wife was always fat. And it was not pregnant fat it was all over her body. Poor little kids almost starving to death but she was eating well. I do not know my Bible as well as I should but I still remember part of it. You can't pick and choose a few verses and leave out the rest of that Bible.
    I'm not religious, never have been. So I don't know what the bible says. Only when someone posts something about it do I read anything from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinyhead View Post
    I'm not religious, never have been. So I don't know what the bible says. Only when someone posts something about it do I read anything from it.
    Good for you. My husband reads his Bible ( King James ) every morning. He has been doing this for many years. I can't tell you how many times he has read it through. He is a better person than I am
    He spent over 5 years helping take care of a maiden Aunt who still lived in the house that she was born in........she did not want him watching much on TV so after he got through with the house work he read his Bible ( lol, she approved of that ). His part of the week to be with her was Friday evening through till Tues. morning. Bless her heart she was bothered by some form of Dementia in her later years and could not remember to take her meds or to eat. Plus she spent too much time out in the heat in the Summer. She never wandered thank the Good Lord.

    The Bible is a very, very interesting book. After reading it you think to yourself.......'there truly is nothing new under the sun'.
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    After reading the whole Pope Francis speech, I still don't understand "legitimate redistribution by the State."

    If the State is secular, then doesn't the responsibility for the charity fall upon the individuals. When someone says that the US is based on Judeo-Christian values, there are many who step forward angrily to attest that church and state must remain separate ... so separate that a kid has trouble being allowed to pray in school, because the school has to remain secular in EVERY way. But when it comes to charity you want that same secular govt to force people to do so. We are not a theocracy. And I really don't think any of us would want it so.

    I still find objection that the Pope lives opulently; and the church has great wealth that it does not use for helping those poor people the Pope is speaking about. Maybe the church should give up its tax-exempt status so that it can help redistribute some of its own wealth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Clinchy View Post
    After reading the whole Pope Francis speech, I still don't understand "legitimate redistribution by the State."

    If the State is secular, then doesn't the responsibility for the charity fall upon the individuals. When someone says that the US is based on Judeo-Christian values, there are many who step forward angrily to attest that church and state must remain separate ... so separate that a kid has trouble being allowed to pray in school, because the school has to remain secular in EVERY way. But when it comes to charity you want that same secular govt to force people to do so. We are not a theocracy. And I really don't think any of us would want it so.

    I still find objection that the Pope lives opulently; and the church has great wealth that it does not use for helping those poor people the Pope is speaking about. Maybe the church should give up its tax-exempt status so that it can help redistribute some of its own wealth?

    When sharing wealth is voluntary it is chairty. When sharing wealth is coerced, it is called tyranny; even slavery.
    I would think that legitimate means supported by the citizens at the ballot box? So, do you support all religious organizations losing tax exempt status, or just the Catholic Church because you don't like what the Pope has to say? I find entertaining the discomfort that conservatives seem to feel at the Pope not sticking to the social issues that they agree with him on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz View Post
    I would think that legitimate means supported by the citizens at the ballot box? So, do you support all religious organizations losing tax exempt status, or just the Catholic Church because you don't like what the Pope has to say? I find entertaining the discomfort that conservatives seem to feel at the Pope not sticking to the social issues that they agree with him on.
    The Pope has made some game changing decisions on social issues, and the Republican party may do well to take notice.

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    The man didn't choose an opulent abode, it came with the territory. His prior life has been anything but opulent.

    As an Agnostic, he is the first Pope I have ever paid any attention to. He is even respected by non-radical Muslims.

    Just because our Government is supposed to be secular doesn't mean he doesn't have a responsibility to promote the original ideals of his religion and the new Testament. I'm all for a secular government but I doubt many on POTUS are.

    In regards to charity, you may want to Google the work the various Catholic Charities perform across the world. There isn't another charitable organization in the world that even comes close!
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