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    Quote Originally Posted by Griddoc View Post
    My last 3 senior hunt tests. Shoreline blinds??? What's the deal? No wonder so few people run seniors and go straight to masters. Seniors is like masters minus 1 bird and no blinds under the arch.
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    Carol Cassity's drill book "Building a Retriever" has an excellent drill on working down the shore blinds. You've got bumpers at strategic places along the shore. When the dog heads that way, whistle and cast. You get a correction in for a cast refusal, instead of a correction for going to shore. She could explain it better.....I'm no expert. But it works well.

    To the original poster....seniors is tough. It's my opinion, and mine only, that seniors should show marking, memory and handling - basic concepts on the latter. Does he respond, does he willingly take your casts, teamwork-not a hack job to the bird? I think all those advanced things should be left for master. I am of fan of train don't complain too. But there is a reason for the intermediate level. With all that being said, seniors does tend to get the bottom of the barrel ground wise. We've discussed the running the blind between the marks thing before. You do what you have to do. For a senior dog, all that scent, even though he hasn't seen the birds going down for the marks, is tough.

    I prefer to go thorugh the series, JH, SH, MH. I can't seem to replicate the excitement in training, doesn't seem that anyone else can either. I get the oportunity to get the dog acclimated to the situation. Maybe someday I won't want to but for now, it's fun. I enjoy going through the ranks...it's fun. Each time I run I find other things that I need to train. I'll never have it all. Right now on my list, for senior, is running a long land blind, into dark trees, through water and further into the dark trees. I had a senior blind with my first dog that was all the way through trees. I had NEVER done that before. Dog ping ponged all the way to the blind but we got there. I'm not a hunter so I don't know if either of those blinds are realistic, but it's part of the game.

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    Thanks for all the posts. I originally anticipated senior hunt tests to measure a dogs steadiness and marking skills. I am slowly learning that it's not the case. I am busting out to get that shoreline down. I guess if you need it to pass a seniors, it will create an easier transition to masters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    We got our arse handed to us today on one of them straight forward down the shore blinds..
    It was UGLY UGLY!!
    Was this at
    a test or a training day?
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    Someone told me a while back JR is about the dog, SR is about the handler and MH is about the team. Kinda makes sense.

    No doubt SR is the biggest step with all the added requirements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JDogger View Post
    Was this at
    a test or a training day?

    Training!!!! Really long,, with a bunch of stuff before you swam the shoreline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Griddoc View Post
    My last 3 senior hunt tests. Shoreline blinds??? What's the deal? No wonder so few people run seniors and go straight to masters. Seniors is like masters minus 1 bird and no blinds under the arch.
    You make it sound like adding a third bird and going under the arc on blinds is no big deal.
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    Gooser, I guess this is why I am ok with those shoreline blinds. My teacher in SC really, really worked us on those with the very difficult entries. His point was that was where all the effort was. Once the dog got in, it recognized the shoreline and where to stay relative to it. But my gosh, those first 30 - 50 yards could be through anything! And Buzz, anyone that believes the step to master is no big deal will be in for a shock! My plan is to train for qual and run what I can after Senior!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacduck View Post
    Or run a water blind with the land series and a land blind with the water series, solves some problems with location of water blinds. Somewhere in the rule book it tells judges to be inventive....
    Saw this done recently. I thought it was a great idea for 2 reasons:
    1. allowed more flexibility with the whole "blind outside the mark rule"
    2. it was hot & the dogs got wet in both series (water blind in first & water marks in second).
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    I train SH dogs just like MH dogs. The blinds can be inside,down the shore, over land back to water, whatever. So I don't care where they put them. In training I like to put the blinds where we will get the best training bang for the buck. Ain't that right Carol lol. We have been cutting corners of thick wheat fields for the past week or two and water blinds down the shore past points.

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