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    Default Use of Primer Poppers in Hunting Tests

    I understand there are issues as to why they are used such as cost and proximity to the line. However, as someone who has been around dogs a lot when either live rounds or regular poppers have been used, the dogs' steadiness is definitely tested much more with fully loaded poppers. I've seen way too many dogs that were steady with primer shots start creeping, get up and start walking or flat out break with full poppers. My point is that in a real hunting situation, how many of those dogs would break? In field trials, even with some of the distances, the full poppers still create a lot more interest for the dogs than primer poppers at a much closer distance. Given that, does anyone know why they're even allowed in hunting tests since steadiness is supposed to be tested?
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    "Real hunting situation", my dog still sits. I use primers at the line when training for HRC. Comes down to basic OB, IMHO. Sit means sit no matter the noise created.
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    Huh?

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    One of the main reasons is HEARING, both the handlers and the dogs. Yes, I know, I've just given two reasons. As a handler and as a judge I have lost a good bit of hearing and I know of a bunch of dogs that have hearing loss also. I can no longer hear the phone ring except when I'm right next to it and I know my friends get tired of me saying "would you repeat that please". Cleo had even tried to get me to go to a hearing aid company to get fitted for a ear piece. That is reason enough for me! Bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith Stroyan View Post
    Huh?

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    I agree Keith.

    Poppers at the line ruined many dogs hearing as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. Walker View Post
    I understand there are issues as to why they are used such as cost and proximity to the line. However, as someone who has been around dogs a lot when either live rounds or regular poppers have been used, the dogs' steadiness is definitely tested much more with fully loaded poppers. I've seen way too many dogs that were steady with primer shots start creeping, get up and start walking or flat out break with full poppers. My point is that in a real hunting situation, how many of those dogs would break? In field trials, even with some of the distances, the full poppers still create a lot more interest for the dogs than primer poppers at a much closer distance. Given that, does anyone know why they're even allowed in hunting tests since steadiness is supposed to be tested?

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    Also, safety. You can seriously injure someone with a popper load. With the honor shooting, safety definitely comes into play.
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    Stick to what we have now in HRC. Just fine and easy on my ears! Your dog should sit no matter what situation your in!IMO
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    There was a huge brewhaha when primers vs poppers was voted on by each club 10 or so years ago. Those on the popper side had mostly never judged or had to clean their clothes after a day of poppers going off infront of them. The packing in each popper went everywhere including your eyes. Sit through 2+ cases of them for two series and try to carry a normal conversation that same night. HRC folks always want to repeat a normal day afield but it isn't possible to test and hunt at the same time. This Fact will always hold the organization back when it comes to testing dogs ability to meet the standard.
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    I remember years ago dogs in the game were coming up deaf at 6 years old. I think our dogs derserve better.

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