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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Farrar View Post
    Fixed it for ya...

    Approximately 3 percent of the school-age population was homeschooled in the 2011–12 school year. Among children who were homeschooled, a higher percentage were White (68 percent) than Black (8 percent), Hispanic (15 percent), or Asian or Pacific Islander (4 percent).

    http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91

    Swampy, please don't try these stunts at home (homeschooling). These people are paid professionals... Bless your heart and have a nice day.
    Davy Boy....pull your head out of the sand....here is a better look at real facts......

    Since 1999, the number of children who are being homeschooled has increased by 75%. Although currently the percentage of homeschooled children is only 4% of all school children nationwide, the number of primary school kids whose parents choose to forgo traditional education is growing seven times faster than the number of kids enrolling in K-12 every year. - See more at: http://www.educationnews.org/parenti....mEK7Bjyc.dpuf

    Recent studies laud homeschoolers’ academic success, noting their significantly higher ACT-Composite scores as high school students and higher grade point averages as college students. Yet surprisingly, the average expenditure for the education of a homeschooled child, per year, is $500 to $600, compared to an average expenditure of $10,000 per child, per year, for public school students. - See more at: http://www.educationnews.org/parenti....mEK7Bjyc.dpuf

    Homeschool Statistics
    The government says that 1.77 million students were homeschooled in 2012, which is an 18% increase since the last study in 2007. In fact, the number of homeschooled children has been steadily increasing each year, and is expected to continue to rise.
    The most recent Federal Government study concluded that about 3.4% of the K-12 students or 1.77 million students were being homeschooled in the United States as of spring 2012. The study was performed by the National Household Education Survey Program (NHES) and the results are available on the Dept of Education Website as part of the National Centers for Educational Statistics.

    Even more shocking is the test scores and college graduation rates of these home schooled kids....and if you really want to get a clear picture of how our public schools are doing, add into this the growth and performance of private schools.....anyone who spends a little time comparing what is available, and the overall results of these other options.....will conclude that the Public Schools are failing on all levels, except maybe teaching kids to be mind numbed robots for the Liberals they all serve! It really is that bad!

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    Swampy, the parents who homeschool their kids are involved parents. Good for them.
    People who work with their dogs every day have better performing dogs than those that don't. Does that shock you?

    Public schools don't have the luxury of washing kids out. We take what we get and we do the best with what we have to work with...

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    Looking at the academic success of home-schooled kids, one might consider some variables. The home-schooled kids get personal attention not likely in the public school setting. They then can cover more material in less time.

    Might also mean that since the parents are mostly NOT professionals, they may be using some teaching methods reflective of their own schooling. Maybe some "old-fashioned" teaching methods actually worked?

    Yes, public schools must take all students, those with disabilities (both mental and physical). Why not encourage more home-schooling of "average" kids, so that our public schools can give more attention to those with disabilities? The monetary savings also free up more funds for those who have those disabilities, doesn't it? Those doing the home-schooling are not getting school tax rebates, so why not take advantage of all that "free" labor?

    Those home-schooled kids also don't get free lunches and some other stuff that will save the school systems money?

    Yes, the home-schooling parents are the involved parents. That also, then, frees up the public school teachers to give more attention to students who do not have parents who are as involved.

    Home-schooled kids have many group activities as well, so they aren't deprived of socialization. One parent I know who home schooled, actually felt that if they took advantage of all the group activities available, there wouldn't be much time left for their "schooling".

    It seems hard to argue with something that produces good academic achievement, is cost-effective, and allows the public school system to allow teachers more time to devote to the students who need it most.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Blame it on the parents....! That is why home schooling has grown 10 fold in the last 10 years? Doesn't make since does it? Maybe to parents is about the quality of education, even if they have to teach it!
    Hate to break it to you, but the "good parents" are a minority now. Out of my wife's 20 kids, less than half are involved in there child's education. This if from first hand knowledge. Never used to be that way, she would only have two or three parents that didn't care. So yes, parents are PART to blame.

    One of the reasons home schooling has grown so much is that the "good parents" have realized they can better educate there child when they take them out of the public environment. If a teacher didn't have to deal with the politics and bad parents our system would be outstanding, but that will never happen. It is only getting worse. Teachers 20 years ago could discipline a child and the parents would back them up, not now.
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    Bowie Bergdahl- Homeschooled?

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    Quote Originally Posted by schusker View Post
    Hate to break it to you, but the "good parents" are a minority now. Out of my wife's 20 kids, less than half are involved in there child's education. This if from first hand knowledge. Never used to be that way, she would only have two or three parents that didn't care. So yes, parents are PART to blame.

    One of the reasons home schooling has grown so much is that the "good parents" have realized they can better educate there child when they take them out of the public environment. If a teacher didn't have to deal with the politics and bad parents our system would be outstanding, but that will never happen. It is only getting worse. Teachers 20 years ago could discipline a child and the parents would back them up, not now.
    Why not have the parents sign a form that states the school has the right to discipline students with the necessary means to hold an orderly classroom. Parents couldn't sue the school for back handing a smart mouthed punk that truly deserves it. Corporal punishment, such as a couple swats with a paddle was common practice when I was in school. It was the embarrassment in front of our friends, rather than the physical part that kept us in line. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shinyhead View Post
    Why not have the parents sign a form that states the school has the right to discipline students with the necessary means to hold an orderly classroom. Parents couldn't sue the school for back handing a smart mouthed punk that truly deserves it. Corporal punishment, such as a couple swats with a paddle was common practice when I was in school. It was the embarrassment in front of our friends, rather than the physical part that kept us in line. Just sayin.
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    Swampy, please share with us what you do for a living. Although I probably have no idea how to do your job, this should not prevent me for telling you how lousy you are doing and how you could be better at it.
    Thanks in advance!
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    Quote Originally Posted by schusker View Post
    If only they could...
    Sorry but it doesn't work that way and thank god. I'll handle discipline for my kids. I am against any public sector union and the powers it grants. Let alone granting corporal punishment powers. You can make a case for police and firefighter unions but white collar professionals have no need for union protections. Every single union ive dealt with provided protection for the bottom 20% and took awAy incentive for the truly talented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian breuer View Post
    Every single union ive dealt with provided protection for the bottom 20% and took awAy incentive for the truly talented.
    This is an awesome statement.

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