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    Default What is a "check down bird".

    It was referenced in an article on training principles and practices. I can't figure it out from the context.

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    a mark that is thrown much shorter than the go bird and/or other marks. Dog goes long for a retrieve and then "checks down" to get the short mark.
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    The mark my dog runs by at Mach 3 & has to be handled with 57 come in whistles to pick it up.
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    The mark my dog runs by at Mach 3 & has to be handled with 57 come in whistles to pick it up.
    LMAO Probably a MUCH BETTER explanation right there
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishduck View Post
    The mark my dog runs by at Mach 3 & has to be handled with 57 come in whistles to pick it up.
    You'd probably still be alive in a Master test.

    As long as you don't say the word "here".

    Do that once, and you're probably toast.
    For some stupid unwritten reason.
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    The "short retired" mark in this one is the concept. All else in the set up entices the dog to go long. That short retired mark would be the lone memory mark, which most dogs would over run instead of checking down. Run the shorter blind first, then the second. Then have the shorter mark thrown, followed by the long flyer with the shorter gun already retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post


    The "short retired" mark in this one is the concept. All else in the set up entices the dog to go long. That short retired mark would be the lone memory mark, which most dogs would over run instead of checking down. Run the shorter blind first, then the second. Then have the shorter mark thrown, followed by the long flyer with the shorter gun already retired.

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    Evan, is adding the blinds into this drill more of a teaching or testing concept here (to see how well your dog understands the check down)? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krapwxman View Post
    Evan, is adding the blinds into this drill more of a teaching or testing concept here (to see how well your dog understands the check down)? Thanks.
    Clearly, the flyer creates deep suction on the left of the check down mark. The blinds create it on the other side without having to set up another gun.

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    Thank you all. I am familiar with the concept, but had never heard it called a "check down bird." Now... how do you teach it? Do most people cue their dogs ("easy", etc.) for the short bird?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1tulip View Post
    Thank you all. I am familiar with the concept, but had never heard it called a "check down bird." Now... how do you teach it? Do most people cue their dogs ("easy", etc.) for the short bird?
    It takes time and experience for the dog. And handlers vary on their sending styles.

    Personally, I cue my dog as he is rotating back to heel with a "next" cue which means let's pick up the next shortest bird (secondary selection). It's his job to remember it and check into it. Soft "easy" cue, then a soft send, making sure they're lined up correctly. Have patience.

    In training: you might have the gun unretire then re-retire for a reminder for a young dog. If the dog blows through, have the gun pop out and help.

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