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    From "Ask the Pro - short bird success", p. 36 of latest Retriever News.

    " To get a dog comfortably marking, and looking for, the short bird we should simplify the mark. There are many ways to teach a dog how to mark the short bird. One of the most basic principals is to throw the mark first as a single and then incorporate your test around this bird afterwards."

    Is this repeating a mark? I guess I don't understand what he means by "incorporate your test around this bird afterwards".

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    Throw it as a single first, then run it again as part of a triple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rboudet View Post
    Throw it as a single first, then run it again as part of a triple.
    Yup...and it's sort of like repeating, but it's more of teaching....
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    Some dogs have to taught to check down on short birds. Like Rowdy. I can't tell you how many birds he has overran. Especially in SH where the marks are relatively short.
    I don't get RN but I think that was what he was talking about.
    Repeating a mark isn't as forbidden as some think. This was discussed in the latest Ret ONLINE between Dennis and Bill Hillman.
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    I would call it teaching! We used this alot in HRC, throw one and then put the package together. It can be done in any venue!IMO
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    Most commom scenario is an indent triple where the middle bird is the short memory bird.Set up a triple with all guns out and throw only short middle bird. Cue your dog on "easy" and send. Then redo setup as triple with the long gun as go bird. Work on this concept until your dog gets it. Finally after your dog understands short memory birds then start to retire the short bird. Eventually you will be able to retire two guns. Good luck Guy

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    Some don't believe in repeating marks... Some do. To each his own. How are you going to teach a dog the concept if you can't repeat it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by huntinman View Post
    Some don't believe in repeating marks... Some do. To each his own. How are you going to teach a dog the concept if you can't repeat it?
    Good point. My approach would be to do that procedure using drill-like triggers, such as drilling on bumpers at first instead of birds. Have your bird boy yell and throw instead of firing shots...anything do distinguish between a cold set up and a drill. We all repeat in drills, and drills generally have more mechanical triggers so you're not working against a 'no repeat' procedure common to cold set ups. Teach the skill, then follow up with many exposures to cold set ups with the same concept. Small distinctions can off significant results.

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    I think Lardy approves of repeating marks as long as you are teaching a Concept.
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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    I have seen a lot of people teach doubles this way. They run the memory bird first as a single, then run it as a double.
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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