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    I think in order to continue this discussion rationally someone should call each of the dog food manufacturers they have personally listed, grain free or otherwise, and find out where they get their taurine and B vitamins.

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    I know this might be a little off topic, but here is a dog food made in the US. That has great success since they have been making it.

    http://www.wigginsriver.com/WigginsRiverPetFood.htm
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    After Nestle bought Purina pet products, my dogs' coats and body condition went downhill. I switched to PMI Exclusive which is Purina Mills. The story I heard was that the guys who orignally developed PP stayed with PMI and created the Exclusive brand. Dogs do great on it--good coats, good body condition, easy to maintain.

    I just emailed them yesterday and here is what they said about their ingredients:

    Meredith,

    Thank you for contacting PMI Nutrition and for your interest in our Exclusive products. *All of our products are manufactured in the USA. *In addition, all of the proteins and grains are sourced from the USA. *Please let me know if I can ever be of further assistance.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Pam Spears View Post
    So based on what I've read here, any vitamin B product made for humans is outsourced from *somewhere,* since vitamin B apparently isn't manufactured in this country at all. Something to think about.
    That is not true. These vitamins are manufactured in the US, although not that much any more. There are lots of B vitamins and lots of ways to get them and to manufacture the various compounds.

    Chinese producers do have the largest market share in *most* common vitamin supplements, but it is a very fragmented market. Within China there are large producers that probably one could not distinguish from a pharma plant anywhere, but there are thousands of second and third tier producers that are closer to fly by night bucket shops, which can be scary. Other producers like Pfizer and Novartis manufacture all over the world.

    At the end of the day, if you are looking into vitamin supplements, most of which are FDA regulated (although not as strongly as 'real' drugs), you are probably okay. Other items, especially energy drinks or supplements may be a hairier.

    Still, you (and your dog) should not really have to supplement these things so much if the diet is sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hotel4dogs View Post
    I think in order to continue this discussion rationally someone should call each of the dog food manufacturers they have personally listed, grain free or otherwise, and find out where they get their taurine and B vitamins.
    It is not that hard, if the manufacturer is willing to be open and honest (which is usually the case if they have nothing to hide).

    In 2 seconds, here is some information from Orijen:
    We do not source ingredients from China. All of our minerals are produced and sourced in Canada. Our vitamins come primarily from North America, if they are not available here we have four other countries in Europe that we source from, Switzerland, Germany, France and the UK.

    For more detailed information on the ingredients contained in our product lines, click on the Ingredients & Preservatives link.
    And since you particularly seem to have a thing for taurine, here is what they have to say about that:
    This is because ORIJEN is rich in fresh meats in WholePrey ratios (in which Taurine is naturally present) and therefore no supplementation is required. Compare to conventional pet food ingredients which do not contain sufficient Taurine in natural form (from meat), and must be supplemented with synthetic Taurine ingredients.
    Feed what you are comfortable with, of course, but i still contend that the question should be not so much the source of these added vitamins, minerals and amino acids, but why they need to be added in such great amounts inthe first place. The answer is that the ingredients these manufacturers use do not contain them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob Hawkes View Post
    I wonder how in the world soo many of those Nat Am Finalists make it on PPP. I donno how last year's National Field Champion is still going. Yeah, PPP is soooo bad. You people should do your own research. If you think your dogs are better or does more than those dogs, then that shows more of your ignorance on the subject.
    PPP has nothing to do with winning anything. Those dogs/trainers would have won on any feed. I wonder what the % of FC AFC dogs' ultimate end is cancer related. I'm pretty sure it's very high.

    Health issues aside the use of imported Chinese "food product" alone is enough for me to stop using Purina products.
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    Good riddance!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdA View Post
    Carol does your same social consciousness apply to the clothes and shoes you wear? Do you avoid apparel made in Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Viet Nam et al? Do you apply the same scrutiny to the prepackaged foods you eat? I can only assume that the people at Purina, many who have been there for decades, understand the sources of the ingredients in their products. Everyone is free to make their own choices and I am confident that Purina is not poisoning my dogs with tainted ingredients from China.
    Obviously it's almost impossible to avoid Chinese products altogether, but food products are an easy choice, both human and pet.
    I have sworn off all meat and fish products imported from 3rd world countries. I never order shrimp in a restaurant unless I know that it's either Gulf Coast or Atlantic wild caught product. Believe me over 90% of shrimp sold in your favorite joint is imported from Indonesia or Thailand and is raised in sewage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbr View Post
    PPP has nothing to do with winning anything. Those dogs/trainers would have won on any feed. I wonder what the % of FC AFC dogs' ultimate end is cancer related. I'm pretty sure it's very high.
    I bet it is no different regardless of the food they are fed. Again, please post and scientific evidence that PPP has anything to do with cancer in dogs.
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    Not to just single out PPP, although their purchase of Chinese bi-product is reason enough. For decades agribusiness has used chemicals and now GMOs to maximize production. In the process they have developed grain products resistant to chemical application. Those chems are applied to the same fields year after year and have become a part of the food supply, not just petfood and live stock feed, but ours as well. Cancer rates have steadily increased across the board.

    Do I have specific data re, PPP or any other grain added feed and cancer ? No. But I am very suspect of safety of the food supply in general.

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