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    Looks like the basis for Obamacare have been preserved for now but will open a huge can of worms in the future.

    In response to yesterday's Hobby Lobby ruling from the U.S. Supreme Court, Libertarian Party Executive Director Wes Benedict made the following statement:

    It's strange that liberals and conservatives are making this ruling out to be a huge deal. All the ruling does is remove a very narrow coverage requirement, in very specific cases; 99.9 percent of Obamacare is upheld.
    It's true that closely held corporate entities should not be forced to pay for this particular contraceptive coverage. But focusing on that narrow issue misses the bigger point: No employer should be forced to provide any health coverage at all.
    This ruling just draws the line between freedom and regulation arbitrarily. If these employers are free to ignore this particular mandate, why aren't other employers free to ignore other Obamacare regulations? They should be.
    Obamacare is unjust and unconstitutional from top to bottom. No employer should be forced to provide health coverage to its employees, or penalized by government if it doesn't.
    Religion is not the issue. The fact that these employers have religious motives doesn't matter. Employers have the right to associate freely with their employees, and to come up with any mutually agreeable employment terms, whether their motives are religious, secular, generous, greedy, or whatever.
    This ruling is a tiny island in a huge sea of Supreme Court rulings that have supported the federal government's desire to regulate and control.
    Libertarian Party Chair Nicholas Sarwark said, "Cutting the government requirement that birth control be purchased only with a prescription and making it over-the-counter would advance liberty by giving easier access to birth control for people who want it without putting their employer in the middle of their personal choices. Government doesn't make men get prescriptions for condoms, there's no reason it should make women get prescriptions for birth control pills."
    The Libertarian Party platform contains the following health care plank: "We favor restoring and reviving a free market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines."
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    I agree with this response. but it is law, you can lay in the floor and kick and scream about the whole law if you want to, but this is a victory, though small, for a lot of people.
    "No employer should be forced to provide health coverage to its employees, or penalized by government if it doesn't."
    i thought it was a tax, not a penalty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aandw View Post
    I agree with this response. but it is law, you can lay in the floor and kick and scream about the whole law if you want to, but this is a victory, though small, for a lot of people.
    "No employer should be forced to provide health coverage to its employees, or penalized by government if it doesn't."
    i thought it was a tax, not a penalty.
    And a tax that shouldn't have to be paid either. Government is out of control.......
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    If the ACA was so awesome, then why are people FORCED to sign up?

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    The Libertarian Party platform contains the following health care plank: "We favor restoring and reviving a free market health care system. We recognize the freedom of individuals to determine the level of health insurance they want (if any), the level of health care they want, the care providers they want, the medicines and treatments they will use and all other aspects of their medical care, including end-of-life decisions. People should be free to purchase health insurance across state lines.

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    and the sane solution...

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    "Cutting the government requirement that birth control be purchased only with a prescription and making it over-the-counter would advance liberty by giving easier access to birth control for people who want it without putting their employer in the middle of their personal choices.

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    "Government doesn't make men get prescriptions for condoms, there's no reason it should make women get prescriptions for birth control pills."


    Condoms don't cause a physical change in hormone levels or affect your body, unless you are allergic to latex. Birth control pills are hormones that cause changes in women's bodies. These changes need to be monitored to prevent other health issues. So yes, you do need a prescription. And making birth control more easily acquired will not solve anything. Some women just don't want to take them for a variety of reasons.

    Hobby Lobby isn't wanting to prevent a female employee from getting birth control. They want to prevent a female employee from getting the morning after pill, or any other of the "abortion" pills. That is a huge difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesa Cozens Dauphin View Post
    "..... They want to prevent a female employee from getting the morning after pill, or any other of the "abortion" pills. That is a huge difference.

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    Actually they just don't want to be forced to pay for that employee to get the morning after pill et al. Nothing in the court case would prevent the employee from paying for it themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IowaBayDog View Post
    Actually they just don't want to be forced to pay for that employee to get the morning after pill et al. Nothing in the court case would prevent the employee from paying for it themselves.
    Thank you for the correction. I should have proofread better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesa Cozens Dauphin View Post
    "Government doesn't make men get prescriptions for condoms, there's no reason it should make women get prescriptions for birth control pills."


    Condoms don't cause a physical change in hormone levels or affect your body, unless you are allergic to latex. Birth control pills are hormones that cause changes in women's bodies. These changes need to be monitored to prevent other health issues. So yes, you do need a prescription. And making birth control more easily acquired will not solve anything. Some women just don't want to take them for a variety of reasons.

    Hobby Lobby isn't wanting to prevent a female employee from getting birth control. They want to prevent a female employee from getting the morning after pill, or any other of the "abortion" pills. That is a huge difference.

    lesa c
    A OBGYN can still monitor the affects and no one is suggesting that women discontinue seeing their doctor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    A OBGYN can still monitor the affects and no one is suggesting that women discontinue seeing their doctor.
    If you don't have to go to a doctor to get a prescription for birth control, because it doesn't require one. Who do you think is going to go to the trouble and expense to go to the doctor to have those potential side effects monitored?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesa Cozens Dauphin View Post
    If you don't have to go to a doctor to get a prescription for birth control, because it doesn't require one. Who do you think is going to go to the trouble and expense to go to the doctor to have those potential side effects monitored?

    Have a great 4th everyone! My celebration starts tomorrow!!!

    best regards,

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