this is what i meant. where pink is the actual line to the blind (orange), the black circle on the T is the dog, the red is the failed left back cast leading to dog beaching, the green is the "safe" over (presumably followed by a right back or right angle back), and the teal is the momentum cast left angle back where dog would drift with wind or if he did not drift you would follow with a right back. zoom is in bottom right hand corner of the picture
i've included the original in case anyone want to try their hand at demonstrating something if i'm wrong
and bill in case you haven't noticed the started classifieds page it may be 3-4 years before i'm at this level as this one isn't going to cut AA
Last edited by blake_mhoona; 07-03-2014 at 11:02 PM.
Easy there, Mayhem... You will get there... All I'm saying is, it's not all that complicated... Ed told you everything you needed to hear, as did Ted.
You want to take the most direct path in training. The dog is going to be high at a trial... The trial is not the time to insist on training standards unless you are willing to go home early. On that point, better to give the "over" and keep playing. (At least early in your Q and AA career... Till you know or think your dog will take the literal cast in that situation). Momentum will usually make the dog less likely to take the cast you need and more likely to take the cast he wants...
well let me ask you this...is my description of momentum casting correct? giving the left angle back (whether its right or wrong for your/my dog) expecting him to fade with the wind towards the blind.
i just want to know whether or not i have my concepts correct. literal if taken will put right at the bird. momentum is taking into account factors/your dog and giving cast.
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Based upon the responses, I think I understand literal, momentum and survival (good description) casts. But let me tell you the context in which the word came up and confused me. Retrievers Online 2012 issue 3, "10 Best Stand Alones to Improve Marking, Focus, Skills and Experiences" So it's about introducing some complexities like cover strips, angling ditches and roads, hay bales and stuff.
You can do a little handling as the dog is coming at the mark, not by stopping and casting but by simply giving literal casting
Here the handler is not on the line managing the dog. It sounds to me that Voigt is basically saying the handler (who doubles as the "gunner" in Stand Alones) can pretty much point to the fall (you know what I mean... not point really but stick out your arms appropriately) if the dog needs a hint as he emerges from the ditch or cover or whatever.
Based on your replies, that's how I'm interpreting this statement. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
BTW: Retrievers Online is golden. It's just sometimes a little over my head.