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    I used to think that when the dog finished FF and began any lining exercises (pile work, T or TT...) that was when transition started. IOW a dog transitions from doing marks to doing marks and blinds.

    But reading the term in context in some literature, I think that's mistaken. It seems that transition is after the dog has pretty much completed TT and yard work and is putting those basics into field work.

    Can you please define the term for me?

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    Transition is not a skill set. It's many skill sets through which a basically-trained dog transitions toward a fully-trained state, wherein he will have all skills at all levels.

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    I never know where people get some of their definitions but I have said many times that we should honour originators. Mike Lardy and Andy Attar started the term Transition for the steps after Basics and before Advanced. Basics was up to DTT and Swimby. Advanced was cold blind and multiple marks. Transition is in between and is moving from yard work skills to field skills.
    Mike also was the first to distinguish fundamentally and fully trained in the literature.
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    Ah HA! Page 32 Volume 1 Training with Mike Lardy. Thank you for helping me find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RetrieversONLINE View Post
    I never know where people get some of their definitions but I have said many times that we should honour originators. Mike Lardy and Andy Attar started the term Transition for the steps after Basics and before Advanced. Basics was up to DTT and Swimby. Advanced was cold blind and multiple marks. Transition is in between and is moving from yard work skills to field skills.
    Mike also was the first to distinguish fundamentally and fully trained in the literature.
    But I think part of the problem is the lines are really fuzzy sometimes. My current dog I'd consider a transition dog, just out of the Derby, he is just starting triples, but has been doing cold blinds for a while. No way I'd consider him an advanced dog...he may be doing the work in the field, but he is still too raw to be considered advanced, he's closer to a transition dog in my opinion and my trainers. He has so many things to still learn...retired guns, short check down, out of orders, poison birds, etc, etc...yes the originators of the term may have had a strict definition when they came up with the word, but it just doesn't fit in my opinion.
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    My 2 1/2 year old is what I would consider a transition dog. She has s senior title, and 1 Master pass. She runs blinds well, but struggles with some triple marking concepts.I believe she is transition because of the lack of time I can give her with quality more challenging marking set ups. Hell she could be 5 or more years old before I could say she is competent at advanced level in traing .
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    I think for us average guys, a dog could stay in transition fir quite some time.
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    Lainee knows what it means to be keeping track of how many quality blinds your dog has run, before they are " ready"

    I have a long long way to go, and i run a LOT of blinds

    in fact I am on my way to add a couple more to the tally!
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    So, not trying to steal the thread, but I wanted some opinions on an idea I was thinking about. Is a transition specific trainer worth while. I guess your options are to keep the dog with the young dog trainer for a little while longer, where the dog will probably not be challenged to the level that he needs to be. Or send him to the big dog trainer, where the dog will get 3 or so days of training a week due to trial schedule, and not a program catered to the dog's needs at the current time. Or for a third option would putting the dog with a transition trainer for 4 months to a year to prepare for big dog stuff, then go pretty much straight into all age training and trialing in short time. With this third option the dog would see 5 to 6 days of training catered to dogs at the transition level. No real reason to run a trial every weekend, could run a couple here and there if you get a dog still in the derby or a owner wanting trainer to run Q's. Just an idea I've kicked around a little over time and wanted to get some opinions.
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    my dog just turned 1, has her shr title, finished double t and swim by and was told she has started trainsition and is doing permanent blinds this week...

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