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    I currently have a 8 month-old BLF in training that's giving me mixed signals. While she's shown good prey (and retrieving) DRIVE up to this point, she's also shown me (to quote Ron White) that "she's got a lot of quit in her."

    In the past, I've always associated DRIVE and DESIRE as the same animal...yet this pup is causing me to re-think my definitions of each. Personally, I'm beginning to see DRIVE simply as the chase-mechanism that most of our dogs posses, but in varying degrees. My definition of DESIRE would be a combination of qualities (specifically tenacity and perseverance). I believe DRIVE can be present without DESIRE, but DESIRE cannot be present without DRIVE.

    While this may simply be a lesson in semantics, I still think it's a topic for good discussion. What say you?

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    I break down to prey drive and work ethic.

    My Sable dog had great prey drive and was an incredible hunter but had terrible work ethic. She hated drills and it took a lot of training and a lot of thought on my part to get her to the level she was at.

    My Delilah pup has got great prey drive and a wonderful work ethic, she's simply up to whatever task is on the menu for the day.

    In my opinion a dog that does not have work ethic drives when they want to drive. And quitting is directly tied to perseverance, and this will show up any time the dog is challenged, whether it's on a blind or a challenging mark or any of the necessary drills we must perform.

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    Is it possible she's getting ready for her first heat cycle? That screws alot of them up for awhile. Sounds like she might be too much of a thinker and that can result in a poutty dog.Maybe try training every three days to try and keep her attitude up.You may have to slow up some to keep it more fun and easier for her. Good luck Guy

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    Kirk, in my post about "bottom" I mentioned my pups high desire and his attitude he has to make the retrieve at all costs. He takes a big correction and shakes his head and is immediately ready to go again on my terms. He doesn't pout about being corrected and that is what I call drive.
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    You can also have drive without trainability or desire to please. Blinding drive is out of control-gotta get it at any cost--without the desire to work with you or do it on your terms.

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    I talk about this all the time. I can't describe exactly what desire is, but I know it when I see it. That said I have seen many dogs with drive and little or no desire, but I have never seen a dog with desire that lacks drive.
    The one thing I do know about desire is that you can only build upon it, you cannot teach a dog desire if it doesn't have it on it own. You can increase desire in a dog with it, but if they aint got it they aint going to get it.
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    Is it hard to differentiate Drive/desire and confidence?

    I think if you sit a dog on park grass,and thow a 65 yd visible mark, you witness a dog that shows a LOT of drive/desire. But,, is it really confidencer?

    If you throw marks that have many factors, and are above and beyond the dogs training level you may see a dog that performs with less drive,, or is it a lack of confidence?

    So, does it make more sense to build that confidence slowly,by adding factors gradually, thus enhancing the dogs perceived drive/desire?

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    Confidence is not drive. I can teach a golden with no drive to be confident that a mark will always be there. Confidence can build drive if it is there, but confidence alone does not drive equal.
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    Mine has a drive and desire to eat... When it comes to hunting they may have the desire(instinct) but not the "drive" to go beyond what they see are their limitations...

    Drive is something that pushes you to higher limits... to excel under pressure ... as in he was driven to get that bird... he swam three hundred yards across a fast moving river to get a cripple and delivered it to hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kirk Keene View Post
    I currently have a 8 month-old BLF in training that's giving me mixed signals. While she's shown good prey (and retrieving) DRIVE up to this point, she's also shown me (to quote Ron White) that "she's got a lot of quit in her."

    In the past, I've always associated DRIVE and DESIRE as the same animal...yet this pup is causing me to re-think my definitions of each. Personally, I'm beginning to see DRIVE simply as the chase-mechanism that most of our dogs posses, but in varying degrees. My definition of DESIRE would be a combination of qualities (specifically tenacity and perseverance). I believe DRIVE can be present without DESIRE, but DESIRE cannot be present without DRIVE.

    While this may simply be a lesson in semantics, I still think it's a topic for good discussion. What say you?
    I would want to know why you say that about your dog. Are you using pressure or is she just giving you lack of effort?? Curious! Too much pressure incorrectly applied can change a dog's attitude. JMO
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