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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post
    How did Vetura get around the "public figure" issue as found in New York Times Co v Sullivan? An ex-Governor of a State, who basks in the limelight, to try to claim he's not a public figure is a pretty difficult.
    He got a favored Judge to accept the case.. I think a lot of other judges would have thrown it out for this very reason... he just looks pathetic suing a man who is dead and not be able to testify.

    The instructions to the jury may be a huge sticking point. I'd have to think if Kyle's estate loses that an appeal may toss out the verdict.

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    Jury back Monday. My guess is it may be a hung jury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post
    How did Vetura get around the "public figure" issue as found in New York Times Co v Sullivan? An ex-Governor of a State, who basks in the limelight, to try to claim he's not a public figure is a pretty difficult case to make.
    Seems like he is trying to show actual malice, so there wold be no need to get around the "public figure" issue.

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    He'll always have to get around the public figure aspect. If he can overcome that, then he can try to prove malice. At least that the way I understand the Sullivan case. That was decided at the US Supreme Ct and has not been overturned so it's the law. Maybe there's some other route around it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post
    He'll always have to get around the public figure aspect. If he can overcome that, then he can try to prove malice. At least that the way I understand the Sullivan case. That was decided at the US Supreme Ct and has not been overturned so it's the law. Maybe there's some other route around it.
    That is not my understanding of the Sullivan case, its seems to me it would protect the co-authors and publishers of the book, but it would provide no protection for an author who showed reckless regard for the truth.

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    You're right. The issue of "actual malice" has to take precedence.
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    VERDICT IS IN


    By STEVE KARNOWSKI ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- A jury awarded former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura $1.8 million on Tuesday in his lawsuit against the estate of "American Sniper" author Chris Kyle.
    On the sixth day of deliberations, the federal jury decided that the 2012 best-selling book defamed Ventura in its description of a bar fight in California in 2006. Kyle wrote that he decked a man whom he later identified as Ventura after the man allegedly said the Navy SEALs "deserve to lose a few."
    Ventura testified that Kyle fabricated the passage about punching him. Kyle said in testimony videotaped before his death last year that his story was accurate.
    Legal experts had said Ventura had to clear a high legal bar to win, since as a public figure he had to prove "actual malice." According to the jury instructions, Ventura had to prove with "clear and convincing evidence" that Kyle either knew or believed what he wrote was untrue, or that he harbored serious doubts about its truth.
    The jury told the judge Monday that it didn't believe it could reach a unanimous verdict, but the judge instructed them to continue. On Tuesday, attorneys for both sides agreed that the verdict did not need to be unanimous and would allow a verdict if only eight of 10 jurors agreed.
    After finding in favor of Ventura, the jury was also tasked with awarding damages for any harm to his reputation, humiliation and embarrassment. Jurors had to find that Ventura suffered an economic loss as a direct result of Kyle's statements, or that Kyle used Ventura to profit unjustly.
    Neither Ventura nor Chris Kyle's widow, Taya Kyle, were in the courtroom for the verdict. Chris Kyle was slain at a Texas gun range last year, so his widow is executor of his estate with control over proceeds from book royalties and movie rights.
    In his closing argument, Ventura attorney David Bradley Olsen said he believes Kyle's estate has earned more than $6 million from the book, and suggested that $5 million to $15 million would be reasonable compensation for what he said was irreparable harm to Ventura's reputation.
    "The verdict will tell the world Chris Kyle's story was a lie," Olsen said.
    Olsen said Kyle's claims that Ventura said he hated America, thought the U.S. military was killing innocent civilians in Iraq and that the SEALs "deserve to lose a few" had made him a pariah in the community that mattered most to him - the brotherhood of current and former SEALs.
    "One-point-five million people have bought the book," he said. "Millions more heard Fox TV trash Jesse Ventura because of it. And the story went viral on the Internet and will be there forever."
    Defense attorney John Borger had told jurors in his own closing argument that the 11 witnesses presented by the defense "tell a compelling and consistent story" that backed Kyle's version.
    U.S. District Judge Richard Kyle, who is not related to the author, told jurors they weren't charged with determining whether Ventura was punched, but rather whether he was defamed by the remarks Kyle attributed to him.
    Chris Kyle, regarded as the deadliest military sniper in U.S. history, included a brief account in his book of a confrontation at a bar in Coronado, California, with a man he called "Scruff Face." In promotional interviews, Kyle identified the man as Ventura, a former SEAL who became a pro wrestler and movie actor before being elected for one term as Minnesota governor in 1998. Ventura was in Coronado for a SEAL reunion and graduation ceremony.
    Olsen said inconsistencies in testimony from defense witnesses about what happened the night of Oct. 12, 2006, were so serious that their stories couldn't be trusted. He also pointed out that people who were with Ventura that night testified that the alleged confrontation never happened. And he said Ventura would never have said any of the remarks attributed to him because he remains proud of his and his parents' military service.
    "The statement is completely out of character for Jesse Ventura. He never said anything like that in his life, and he never will," he said.
    Ventura testified that his income as a television personality fell sharply as job offers dried up in the wake of "American Sniper." Borger said Ventura's career as an entertainer was in decline well before that.
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    The jury spoke and none of us were there.

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    Yep, Ventura is a coward pig. Can't understand why he went after the wife.
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