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    Thanks for the constructive replies, I appreciate them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handler Error View Post
    The test is now different then what the "early" dogs ran. It would take one minute to put the decoy back where the judge originally placed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billie View Post
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    Can you reference the rule book on this?
    If HT are judged to a standard it should make no difference. I don't believe each dog must have the exact same test. It isn't a trick. It isn't interference. It isn't unfair.

    Just my opinion.
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    I used to run a lot of HT's in the early days... 80's and early 90's. Have always hunted a lot. HT are supposed to simulate hunting. In hunting situations, birds are falling all over the place (if you are lucky)... but rarely if ever in the same spot. Decoys do get dragged around by the dogs... and if birds are flying, no I'm not going out there to move them back.

    Some of the best hunts have been a "take them as they come" type day. Probably, some of the best HT's would be the same...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas D View Post
    Can you reference the rule book on this?
    If HT are judged to a standard it should make no difference. I don't believe each dog must have the exact same test. It isn't a trick. It isn't interference. It isn't unfair.

    Just my opinion.
    I agree with your opinion. If it was super easy for a gunner to run out and move the decoy back I might do it, otherwise leave it where it is.

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    I would go out of my way to move it!
    I have already made my mind up where and Why I want the decoys placed.

    I also dont want to listen to discussions like what we have in this thread after my test!

    Just so everyone knows ,,I isnt a Judge, but I have an opinion..
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    Typically decoys are dragged into deeper water as the dog is going out & to the bank coming back. There are many instances where a decoy pulled into deeper water may require a boat or donning waders to move. If it can easily be returned to its original position then it makes sense to do so. If not, why waste precious daylight. When hunting, it isn't uncommon for a decoy to get loose.
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    Lazy hunt test judges .. If I were hunting I'd have moved the decoys 3-4 times throughout the day, to get the correct setup, and sometimes the dog knows better than me where they should be placed. That lone pair out in the middle, usually draws them into the flock
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    For those that are unaware, here is what the rule book says:
    Unusual Circumstances, “No Birds.” If unusual and unplanned circumstances occur during the course of a marking test, the Judges can ask the handler to handle the dog, or otherwise compensate for the unanticipated occurrence. The absence of competition allows more flexibility for judges.

    Because dogs are evaluated against a standard, a test need not be exactly the same for every dog; however, it is highly desirable that they run in similar tests. Dissimilar tests can inadequately test some abilities. For example, a double mark and blind that becomes a single mark and blind because of a missed bird, does not test a dog’s memory as adequately as it was intended.
    Generally a dog getting tangled in the decoys or a moved decoy would be viewed by me as NBD - No Big Deal.

    However there are a couple exceptions, if the decoy had an excessively long cord and multiple dogs were getting tangled in it, I may want it fixed or eliminated.

    Additionally, as a judge, I would not be happy with a single decoy being dragged to the fall area, for a much different reason than the original poster didn't like it. IMO a single decoy in the fall area may help draw or "decoy" the dogs to the fall area that might not go there on their own if they had forgotten the mark. In the big picture of how it affects the test, it very well still might be viewed by me as NBD.

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    Wouldnt you folks take into considerstion what LEVEL the dogs were being tested at?
    It is far easier to spit on the work of others than it is to produce something better yourself.
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