I thought so..................
If I may add....I have not run any FT's with my current dog.
I have worked a few at my club.
I have sat in gunners stations and watched entire stakes.
I am NOT a FT judge, though I dabble in judging HT's.
However, I keep an eye on what I think is fine dog work.
And in every trial but 1 that I have watched (maybe 80% of all runs) I agreed with the judges choice for #1.
The one time I would have picked another, he finished 2nd.
Not sure what this means, if anything, but I shared that observation and was asked to post it, so I did!
I think the Judges may be biased towards GOOD dog work!!!
I love to watch GOOD dog work.
I have an idea in my mind what that is.
I know a relatively experienced FT'r and FT Judge that has posted in this thread.
He came to the RTF training day last year (without a dog) and threw birds all day long for us (most being primarily involved in HT's).
He displayed NO bias.............
I guess the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as well as the ugly!
Last edited by road kill; 07-23-2014 at 11:41 AM.
Stan b & Elvis
For the record I started in hunt test, have run field trials for 18 years, judge 2-3 trials a year and take every hunting season off from October 1st to early January to hunt my dogs.
ps: You do know that Illinois borders the upper Mississippi River and that great flyway with millions of birds, many are born in your pot hole duck factory. I wouldn't put down hunting in any State, but Bill lives in Tennisee and lived for a long time in Alaska, Bill knows hunting.
Last edited by John Robinson; 07-23-2014 at 10:42 AM.
I am entering my first post on rtf and I normally would not do so but, I happen to be the field trial chair for the controversial derby. My name is Dan Sayles, and I am also a pro trainer and have been for 30 yrs. along with myself and 3or 4 others we are the guts of our club. We have prided ourselves on putting on a quality event with the upmost respect for our handlers. This particular trial we spent over 2000 dollars bringing in judges from all parts of the country, and they did a fantastic job. Our derby judges that have been so falsely accused of bias have over50 yrs of experience in training, judging, and competing in this game that so many of us love. Neither of them had any vested interest in any pros or amateurs running the trial. In fact until the places were signed into the books, the only thing they knew were the numbers. Now to put things in perspective. We had people from all over the US here, and we really appreciate it and to let you newcomers know how hard it is to put on a quality event some of the out staters are very generous in their offers to help work at times. Example Rick VanBergen offer to stake chair open after he ran dog 2 in the open. Wayne Schochenski judged the quality, and then helped with the amateur and tailgate party. Jeff Lyons from out east offers to do whatever he can to help, Jeff Bandel offers to throw for the open on Sunday and Danny Farmer always is gracious with his help and equipment. Those are just a few examples of how this game is supposed to work. To sit and video a stake for the sole purpose of causing trouble, I would advise you to look in the mirror and see if you truely have a passion for this game. Too many good people busts their butts and give up weekends away from their families to keep this sport vibrant. In closing i would like to thank everyone that participated in our trial, attended our tailgate party, and gave a weekend out of their lives to help us. In the words of Bobby Smith's 3 yr old granddaughter: you get what you get and you don't pitch a fit. Thanks again
Wow Dan, did not know what derby this fit was over but I know one of the judges personally and I can promise you he is not bias to anyone if he placed a dog over another there was a reason.
PS thanks for putting on a nice trial.
Im not a field trialer.......... Period.......
I did run a derby right befor Flinch aged out, just to see how she would do.
She went out first series right out of the gate.
The folks that were running that trial, and the Judges,were the most friendly,personable people I have ever run into running Hunt Tests.
This was my first FT experience, and it was wonderful!
The members of the comitee, talked to the judges, and us handelers that were dropped, were told we could continue to paly but, we were out of competition.
Flinch and I were able to run as test dog for the following series. I remember the series going extra in number so the judges could get answers about the dogs that were still in contention.
I was very proud that Flinch got to sit at a FT line, and was able to do an OK job on the remaining series. It was a wonderful experience.
Now,,all that said:
I am a realist. I do NOT think I have the rescources to have a REAL possibility to compete in FT. I am an awful Handler... I have an average dog.
The HT game, for ME, is a realistic venue for me to enjoy.
I too have been chastised for my lack of commitment to the sport..
I train everyday, on the limited grounds I have available to me.
There is a FT training group. led by a very respected Pro that lets me join in on the weekends!
My experience with her, has been absolutely positive.
I am busy enough, and my "dedication" MUST go to TRAINING my young dog...
Some of us have Goals very different than others. I think we ALL need to respect that.
I wont post on this thread again, but thought I would express my experience with FT people.. It has been wonderful!.,,, and I DO hunt.
A TRULY competitive FT dog, is a very special animal,, I dont think many HT folks understand the training and talent by BOTH the handler and dog goes into the success of a FT title..
Last edited by MooseGooser; 07-23-2014 at 11:38 AM.
Not here to knock anyone's passion be a pet, FT dog, or meat dogs. I don'y know any of you here on RTF I don't judge others. I have done and worked some trials and met great people, learned alot, and my dogs are all out of FC dogs.. It seems RTF attracks the complainers and know it alls.The trials I have worked and competed in the judges did great job, I did not win nor should I have, no complaints, train more.
I know nothing, only a guide, taxidermist, and amateur dog trainer but liven the life I love.
Some of these folks that have posted are poor misguided souls who are basically full of themselves (FOS) . The derby judge in question that are being thrown under the bus I have known for many years and have run under him, top notch. Dan Sayles who finaly posted is one of the most respective Pros in his neck of the woods , along with many of the contestants that run. In fact Dan ran a dog in the derby and if no one noticed did not make the cut. Lastly those who post of their great hunting adventures and drawn inferences that us "high then mighty" field trial and hunt tests folks don't hunt much with their dogs. Please go to facebook do a search of Goose Geezers and see what working folks who train dogs and hunt do, I am proud to be a associate of that group. Lets end this BS with folks who refuse/decline to identify themselves and who we are being fed with various negativity from their own comments.