I had a good buddy call me over the weekend regaurding training techniques of a "PRO". He set up two easy marks for the dog as he wanted to see its progress. The trainer brought the dog (chocolate lab 1.5 years old) out of the truck with a shock collar on the neck and flank. When asked why one on the flank the trainer stated that is how "sit" is taught. The dog is brought to the line.... mark thrown... dog goes out and is hunting the fall area and heads the other direction. At this point the trainer starts shocking the dog with no vocals. Dog goes back to the fall area finds the duck and wont pick it up. Trainer starts shocking him again (no commands) causing the dog to sit next to the bird. Finally he picks it up and drops it....more stimulation. At this point the dog has lost intrest so they stop the training. when ask why there was no praise when the dog finaly pick up the bird there was no praise the trainer stated " well wolves and coyotes dont give high fives when they kill something. It will ruin all the training if you praise them." BTW the dog hase been in training for 7 weeks.