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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary Lynn Metras View Post
    You might work on changing those right wingers in power to think like you instead of starting at the bottom! IMHO
    Good luck Mary…..many have made this exact suggestion to Franco in the past …….. to no avail. Success to the libertarian party is garnering 5% of the vote rather than their typical 1% - 3%
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    Quote Originally Posted by dback View Post
    Good luck Mary…..many have made this exact suggestion to Franco in the past …….. to no avail. Success to the libertarian party is garnering 5% of the vote rather than their typical 1% - 3%
    Wrong dback!

    Success means winning elections, which we know takes time when we have the two Parties working to keep us off of ballots and debates. Add the fact that the national media is completely clueless as to the Libertarian Platform and what we have is a dumbed down political landscape.

    In regards to reforming the Repub Party, there is no hope for it. It is damaged goods. The brand is beyond repair. Libertarians can hope they will reform their ways but the reality is that it is a Party of the past. Damaged and currently being hijacked even further to the extreme right by the Teas. Want to discuss a real threat to Liberty? That would be the Teas who in a short time would turn our system of government into an Oligarchy if they could!
    It's such a shame that in the USA, defending Liberty has become such a heroic deed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary Lynn Metras View Post
    Had you read the article instead of getting all excited, you would have read that after 40 years, Libertarians can no longer call themselves Conservative because the meaning of Conservative has changed. Conservative use to mean smaller Federal government and more Freedom. Today, Conservative means bigger Federal Government and less Freedom!

    This means the wrong people are running the right winged party. IMO

    In Canada, we had a Reform Party start in 1996 by 2000 they were no longer. They believed in free trade, decentralizing government, reducing size, scope and cost of our government. They ended up joining forces with another conservative group. Now they are the Conservative Party of Canada. Thank God they are in power.
    I look at people as either right winged or left winged. Left wingers don't want guns and blame those that want guns for all the troubles we have (gangs and violence), when really it is the left winger's socialism and their left winged nature that causes the issues.
    Franco I know you are a die hard Libertarian but it is a long road you have to go on to get to the top. You might work on changing those right wingers in power to think like you instead of starting at the bottom! IMHO
    Mary Lynn....don't let Franco confuse you. Libertarians hold many of the fundamental beliefs that Conservatives hold, but they take it all way to far! The Republican Party has been taken over by moderate Conservatives, we call them RINO's (not really Republicans)... In 2010 a large group of Conservative voters got together and replaced over 70 congressional seats with true Conservatives. The called themselves the Tea Party Patriots. As you would expect, this group has been attacked from all sides, and try as they might, the Tea Partiers are here to stay. We will take back the Republican Party, by converting some existing Republicans and by replacing others. If you want to understand more detail look up the Libertarian Party Platform and the Tea Party websites where it is all available.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    Wrong dback!

    Success means winning elections, which we know takes time when we have the two Parties working to keep us off of ballots and debates. Add the fact that the national media is completely clueless as to the Libertarian Platform and what we have is a dumbed down political landscape.
    Seriously Franco…….in a time in history when a 'doggy-kitty' U-tube video will go viral in the matter of an hour? Your party platform hasn't caught the national attention in YEARS? When Libertarians bring some leadership and weed out the 'wackjobs' (Hmmmm….anyone know any?) you might gain more then 5%. Problem is……even if you were to gain every Republican vote……you'd still lose because the likes of Buzz, Zeus and the 'where's my free chit' crowd ain't gonna vote Lib. JD is sitting in the MRGV chuckling his arse off …….. he already has the vast majority vote and gaining more at border crossings daily and he is facing a formidable foe (Ya right!) in a pathetic Republican party with zero leadership, a bunch of screwball Teas with zero leadership and nut job Libertarian party with Franco. Let's keep it up so we can bitch about Hillary for the next eight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dback View Post
    Seriously Franco…….in a time in history when a 'doggy-kitty' U-tube video will go viral in the matter of an hour? Your party platform hasn't caught the national attention in YEARS? When Libertarians bring some leadership and weed out the 'wackjobs' (Hmmmm….anyone know any?) you might gain more then 5%. Problem is……even if you were to gain every Republican vote……you'd still lose because the likes of Buzz, Zeus and the 'where's my free chit' crowd ain't gonna vote Lib. JD is sitting in the MRGV chuckling his arse off …….. he already has the vast majority vote and gaining more at border crossings daily and he is facing a formidable foe (Ya right!) in a pathetic Republican party with zero leadership, a bunch of screwball Teas with zero leadership and nut job Libertarian party with Franco. Let's keep it up so we can bitch about Hillary for the next eight.
    Sorry dback but, wrong again.

    First, maybe if we would accept money from Special Interest we could do a better job of getting our message out. However, the National Parties' policy is that because we are the only Party Of Principle, that we do not sellout to Special Interest like the Dems and Repubs. We much prefer to represent The People!

    Our two biggest expenses nationally are fighting ballot access and debate boycotts. Right now, the Illinois Repubs and Dems are trying to keep all third Party candidates off of ballots! That is how un-American those two have become!

    And yes, the Internet is why we are the Political Party of choice by those that most frequent the internet. That being younger adults! That is why we are the Party of the future. The under 35 do not relate to the Dems and especially the Repubs. The younger generation want Fiscal sanity and Social freedoms. Two ideals neither the Dems not the Repubs embrace.

    The Liberty movement could take another 5 or 10 years. But, there is no holding back ideals which time has come!
    It's such a shame that in the USA, defending Liberty has become such a heroic deed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    The Liberty movement could take another 5 or 10 years. But, there is no holding back ideals which time has come!
    You've used 43 already (to be exact)………you'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath for another 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dback View Post
    You've used 43 already (to be exact)………you'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath for another 10.
    The Party was fairly dormant until 07 when the youth movement took it over behind their spiritual leader Dr Ron Paul. 2010 there were hardly nay candidates. In 2014 all midterm Federal offices have Libertarians running. Something the media is either ignoring or doesn't understand!

    We don't expect the diehard Repubs or Dems to hold their breaths. They've had their way running this country into massive debt and a rudderless Foreign and Domestic Policy. Circumstances will doom the two.
    It's such a shame that in the USA, defending Liberty has become such a heroic deed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampcollielover View Post
    Mary Lynn....don't let Franco confuse you. Libertarians hold many of the fundamental beliefs that Conservatives hold, but they take it all way to far! The Republican Party has been taken over by moderate Conservatives, we call them RINO's (not really Republicans)... In 2010 a large group of Conservative voters got together and replaced over 70 congressional seats with true Conservatives. The called themselves the Tea Party Patriots. As you would expect, this group has been attacked from all sides, and try as they might, the Tea Partiers are here to stay. We will take back the Republican Party, by converting some existing Republicans and by replacing others. If you want to understand more detail look up the Libertarian Party Platform and the Tea Party websites where it is all available.....
    Yes I am hoping for that up here - true Conservatives. Not too interested in LIberatarians as they sound like our Reform Party and as I said that did not last. Best way to do things is vote for your existing parties. Be sure the person you vote for is not on the left side of the fence nor too much in the middle and might fall left. It will take many of us to make a significant change back to the right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mary Lynn Metras View Post
    Yes I am hoping for that up here - true Conservatives. Not too interested in LIberatarians as they sound like our Reform Party and as I said that did not last. Best way to do things is vote for your existing parties. Be sure the person you vote for is not on the left side of the fence nor too much in the middle and might fall left. It will take many of us to make a significant change back to the right.
    That would also sound good and well except the brand is broken beyond repair.

    The major problem is the narrow appeal. Where the Repubs can win in rural areas, they get trounced in the more populated areas. Nationally, the only demographic they win is white men over 55 years of age. Hard to win the White House with such a narrow appeal.

    The future is with those willing to be Fiscally responsible and socially tolerant. That's the way the younger generations sees it. Unlike the Repubs or Teas, Libertarians are inclusive to all demographics. Among our ranks are people rejected by the Repubs/Teas such as women, Asians, black, gays, younger white. The Dems have the Hispanic and black vote wrapped up. I just don't see a future for the Repubs/Teas.
    It's such a shame that in the USA, defending Liberty has become such a heroic deed.

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    Mary Lynn.....as you can see, our local Libertarian is an 'eternal optimist'....I keep reminding him that the one Senator they actually have in Congress ran for President the last two times, as a Republican....even he got it! But you have to admire Franco's enthusiasm... the big fear we all have is that the Libertarians actually get more than 3% of the vote in our National elections....that splits the votes away from Republican's....and the Democrats may win on that.....Ross Perot another third party candidate did this once before...I am sure that the Democrats will do all they can to help this happen....

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