What's being discussed in this thread is a minor fault, at most. Many judges don't even note it.-Paul
there's no good reason to fatten up a retriever.
Go seek the pro that train her and have him or her help you correct this. I really beleive this would be fair for all parties involved especially for you. Dog doesn't care.
My two pennies worth.
If the dog does not cheat on the way out, how important is it for the dog to return on the same exact line ?
Every year no matter the age have gone back to the swimby. Not to pile work on each end or across, toss a bumper in what would be your swimby pond, give THE OVER Cast for the "discipline casting" with bumper in mouth to the end and out depending on how the dog was originally taught . Do this in a couple of locations. Have done it with dogs that are upwards to 9 or 10 years old. In our group dogs range from 18 months to 9 years old and all are put through discipline casting. If your not sure make a phone call to the pro that did it.
DAH, since you are new here you may not know that you've had responses from some accomplished trainers and handlers of varying degrees of which I am probably one of the least. Having said that, I think that you are not asking too much of your dog to come back directly and more importantly IMO to take your casts with bumper/bird in mouth on the return. I don't understand why a dog on this level would not perform discipline casting on either land or water.
I like the idea that someone proposed - take the dog back to the pro who did the training and watch/participate as the pro puts her back through swim-by. Then every once in a while make your dog do a "swim by" on a return with a bumper/duck in mouth during training just to remind her that you can make her do that.
Someone else said not to put that dog in that position and I agree UNTIL you get a chance to go get it sorted out. In other words, until you have the ability to enforce it stop putting her in positions to disobey you in this manner as that only reinforces that she CAN do that.
BTW, DAH is a great handle and welcome to the RTF!
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There's are great drill I learned from Chris Akin, throw straight in marks to middle of pond so the dog has to stay wet going and returning. Then throw down the shore, send dog and don't do anything no matter if the dog runs the shore to the mark. On the return use low level nicks all the way back to you as soon as the dog hits shore. The dog makes the decision not you to stay in the water. But on a side note some ask why not let them cheat on the way back, because you are letting the dog cheat half the time. Also if its just on the return and you are not seeing it creep in on marks I wouldn't worry about it.
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