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    I think your master level dog will do well in Finished.

    Its gonna be YOU that will need the adjustment.
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    2. Judges CAN designate Order of pick up.. (selection)
    3. many times ,the Honor dog and handler will be part of your test..
    4. there is NOTHINg in the rules, that demand you sit on the bucket.
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    Thanks everyone!

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    I've done what you're asking about. And I would never go straight into finished again. Take advanage of the HRC rules. Run 2 started tests and get 10 points then run 3 seaoned test and get another 30 points. Total 40 points. After that run finished and get your remaining 60 points.
    To pass 7 finished tests in a row is very difficult for most handlers and dogs. Take advanage from what the HRC is willing to give you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MooseGooser View Post
    I think your master level dog will do well in Finished.

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    4. there is NOTHINg in the rules, that demand you sit on the bucket.
    If the judge tells you your hunting from the bucket then your sitting on the bucket. The same as if the judge tells you, your hunting from a layout blind and your dog is in a mut hut. Then you hunt from the lay out blind and your dog is running out of a mutt hutt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden Boy View Post
    I've done what you're asking about. And I would never go straight into finished again. Take advanage of the HRC rules. Run 2 started tests and get 10 points then run 3 seaoned test and get another 30 points. Total 40 points. After that run finished and get your remaining 60 points.
    To pass 7 finished tests in a row is very difficult for most handlers and dogs. Take advanage from what the HRC is willing to give you.
    More difficult for the dog, or for the handler to get used to the nuances of the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labs View Post
    More difficult for the dog, or for the handler to get used to the nuances of the game?
    Both, dog needs to follow the gun, be use to running off a ruff stand or sport stand, dog has to be more steady in the HRC at the finished level where a creep out past the gun barrel will put you and your dog out, vs AKC master where the same creep would most likely be allowed.
    Marking concepts and blinds are pretty much the same in both. So most master level dogs can do the work in the field but things at the line are where I've seen most of the issues.

    As for the handler GUN SAFTEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's where the handler gets his team in trouble. Everyone always says you can talk to your dog and you can, but you need to be aware of what going on with the gun. Failure to shoulder the gun is a gun warning 2 gun warning in a day and you're out.
    Failure to turn on the saftey on when returning the gun to the stand is a gun warning.
    Failure to open the gun when returning it to the stand is a gun warning.
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    A creep will put you out? I guess I missed that in the rule book. How can they allow controlled breaks without elimination, but a creep puts you out? You talking the Grand rules or Finished test rules?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labs View Post
    A creep will put you out? I guess I missed that in the rule book. How can they allow controlled breaks without elimination, but a creep puts you out? You talking the Grand rules or Finished test rules?
    Finished test. The dog creeps out past the gun barrel, the handler shoots the gun and causes a unsafe condition you're out. As for a controlled break you're pretty much going to be out.(Depending on the judges)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Labs View Post
    More difficult for the dog, or for the handler to get used to the nuances of the game?
    Not nuisances, just a different game. Train with a duck call and shooting a pump shotgun and the dog will do fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith S. View Post
    Not nuisances, just a different game. Train with a duck call and shooting a pump shotgun and the dog will do fine.
    Already do....run NAHRA. Layout blinds, they use those things called decoys(which i rarely see in AKC tests), mutt hutts, boats, remotes, platforms, duck calls, shooting at the line, etc etc. Biggest thing that I can see is shooting at the birds myself, and getting the dog to swing to the gun...everything else looks pretty standard. Walk ups in Finished?
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