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    I have a 4 year old CBR F that has her MH title.
    Today I was running some blinds and tried one that runs through an opening in a hedgerow with an open field on both sides of the hedgerow.
    No problem getting her through the opening but then the problem crops up. She tends to go left or right instead of holding the straight line to the blind and then of course she is out of sight. Called her back to the opening and tried casting her back a few times but she still wanted to go either left or right depending on which cast I gave her and not take the straight back cast.
    Granted she was a bit tired as we had done a number of other blinds first and it was fairly warm.
    Marks through the opening are no problem.

    My question for those with more experience is.

    What is the best way to train her to continue on a straight line on a blind once through the opening?

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    Wrapping around a structure, hedgerow, point of trees, hay bales,etc is a natural tendency. As the dog goes through/past the structure a whole "new world " comes into view.
    With marks there is something to see and remember, not so with a blind.
    2 suggestions:1) Identify the blind, giving her something to focus on as she passes. 2) Have the blind within a 20-40 yards of the structure .

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    Walk out blind. Let the dog walk with you to plant the blind. Walk back and run first from the "keyhole" then back up to yor original line. Do this other places using a couple of chairs or a jump of some kind. Fun!
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    Wrapping.
    To work on this set up a blind drill running past tree peninsula as in this sketch.
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    cant post it right now
    I'm on tablet and file's too large. will post drill pic tomorrow.
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    Great question Op ! Most of us have this wrapping issue whether it is a tree line or a point on water.
    Teach the concept if you can and it will be a challenge.
    Jokingly we have burnt up 2 good collars trying to avoid " hiding"
    Getting off the point in sight and through the slot in sight is a valuable learning experience - good luck
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    Keep in mind that "holding a line" is a series of decisions on the part of the dog as they encounter various "factors" along the way.

    Wrapping is a common response to a factor such as what you described but it may not be what the dog is reacting to. Without seeing the terrain it is very difficult to tell exactly, of course.

    All of the standard methods for teaching factors apply, as sighted by Tim C. and Breck. Once you figure out what factor is affecting the dog and what method will teach him/her to make the right decision, you then have to apply the same "drill" in a large number of locations to "generalize" the response to similar factors (pictures).

    This is the hard part of retriever training. The terrain is never the same. Getting the dog to make the right decisions in a variety of locations takes a lot of work.
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    Here's an example how to teach dog to stay on line with Wrap Effect present and or Suction.
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    Thanks for all the replies.

    "Without seeing the terrain it is very difficult to tell exactly, of course."

    There was a soccer field on the far side of the opening and it had been freshly cut and very little if any wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breck View Post
    Here's an example how to teach dog to stay on line with Wrap Effect present and or Suction.
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    Wrap.jpg
    Thanks for sharing the diagram. Very helpful. I can see where my dog may try to go!instead of where he should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrax View Post
    Thanks for all the replies.

    "Without seeing the terrain it is very difficult to tell exactly, of course."

    There was a soccer field on the far side of the opening and it had been freshly cut and very little if any wind.
    right, sounds like a wrap, but... he may have seen the white goal post... or a trash can... or some other object. It's hard to tell sometimes without being there.
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