to narrow the search you can look at the last couple of National Derby Lists, and also the summation after each of the National Amateur and National Open, they list the Sire with the most progeny that year...Those lists IMO are truer yardsticks in the grand scheme of things....
as mentioned in an earlier post Retriever Results usually has a database/list of the top producing Sires based on AA points accumulated by their progeny, also a very good way of seeing who are really the Top Sires
2001 - present
FT sires: http://www.retrieverresults.com/rr/Rank/Rank?RT=SS
FT dams: http://www.retrieverresults.com/rr/Rank/Rank?RT=SD
Derby Dog sires: http://www.retrieverresults.com/rr/Rank/Rank?RT=DS
Derby Dog Dams: http://www.retrieverresults.com/rr/Rank/Rank?RT=DD
Mid-2009 - present
HT sires: http://www.retrieverresults.com/rr/Rank/Rank?RT=MS
HT dams: http://www.retrieverresults.com/rr/Rank/Rank?RT=MD
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Last edited by Mary Lynn Metras; 08-13-2014 at 04:59 PM.
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Some of today's top producing sires have not yet made the headlines. Check the classes of 2017-2020 to see who they are.
I wish the AKC would put out sire and Dam reports like the HRC-UKC, they list sire with total # of progeny and total # of titles/point, ranking them as a percentage. Which is nice when comparing, after all if one sire only has a few pups and another has 100s, who's more likely to have pups with more titles/points? Still 10 pups with titles/point out of 10 pup total, is better than 10 out of 100 pups. Popularity (sometimes assumed productivity) favors a sire with a larger quantity of pups. It's basic math; when you have a large # of pups it's likely that more of them are going to succeed. I'm not sure how it speaks to the sire having superiority in terms of production, unless you compare the total # of puppies/breedings, and then take into account how particular match-ups pan out (whether this sire only nicks with certain lines, or seems to mix well with many different ones). Not to take away from studs that are popular, they may indeed be great producers, still hard to level a playing field when litter and pup numbers aren't taken in to account.
If I were to a look at a derby I have interest in this weekend there are (many Grady pups, several Pirate pups, a few Emmit pups and other sires with only a single pup); All things being equal (basic odds) will favor the sire with more entries. If much is the same across country the deck is already a bit stacked for particular sires. Talent should take the day, but it's usually better to have several tickets to punch.
So judging by the derby runnings, the producers right now are in my area Grady, Pirate, Emmit, not seeing as many Shaq pups in derby this year)
Tubb seems to be gaining in popularity, however I haven't seen any of his get yet.
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