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    Default Definition of amateur

    The AKC defines an amateur for running and ft judging to people.
    Should not the same 2 year policy apply to the dogs?

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    not sure of what you are saying/implying
    please clarify your statement
    do you mean all amateur dogs must be just amateur trained and handled with no pro involvement
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    Quote Originally Posted by trog
    not sure of what you are saying/implying
    please clarify your statement
    do you mean all amateur dogs must be just amateur trained and handled with no pro involvement
    Yes for 2 years. The same as handling and judging rules.

    Tim

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    Why Tim?

    Is it worth changing?

    Would it be enforcable?
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    I like to think that I usually catch on BUT I am very unsure of what you are asking? I don't know of any dog making part of their living by charging someone to train or handle them. HPW

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    Just curious, and I have absolutely no ground to stand on, but wouldn't it be a big factor in this decision whether most failures are results of handler errors or dog errors? I mean, can't a professionally trained dog still fail because a handler makes mistakes? I think for me that would be a factor. Again, no ground to stand on, just thinking out loud.

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    Heck, the AKC can't decide what an amateur is. How do you think they'll do with amateur trained dogs vs. pro trained dogs?

    I wonder if a pro dog will sue everybody if it's found not to be an amateur, and then found to be an amateur again?
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    I voted NO simply because I do not like to do the Force Fecth part at this point in my life.

    Invoking such a rule would be totally impossible to enforce so why bother?

    A Pro trained dog is just as capable of screwing up a test with me handling as is one that has been totally amateur trained. And one other thing, there is a TRUCKLOAD of Amateur Trainers that are just as good as any Pro and better than most of the young ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard N
    Why Tim?

    Is it worth changing?

    Would it be enforcable?
    Why. is it worth it ? Yes the FT population is aging , including me. We need changes to attract new people to put on trials.
    Enforcement would be difficult but is that not why the RJAM was created to address such problems? For the most part we accept amateur status now based on the the handler's word!

    Such a rule would only really effect post qual dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Carrion
    The AKC defines an amateur for running and ft judging to people.
    Should not the same 2 year policy apply to the dogs?

    Tim
    The two year policy doesn't apply to running...just judging....heck just look at Scott Carruth running in the AM at the Bluegrass trial next weekend.

    John...who doesn't understand why someone can't judge for 2 years but can run the dogs they trained as a pro after 1 year???
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