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    Quote Originally Posted by CNBarnes
    Bravo!

    Question: when are you going to include CNM status as well?
    I don't have a timeline on that and I don't have an answer as to "when" or even an answer "if" that will be required.

    For CNM, please ask the breeder(s) of litters that interest you, the specific CNM questions that you may have.

    I'm doing a little "research" on the side about CNM. It sure seems like a great idea, but I have toget some questions answered myself before I advocate it being a firm requirement.

    Let's face it, from no health clearance requirement, to requiring hips and eyes is a very good start!

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    There goes my puppy mill idea, now I have no place to advertise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson
    Let's face it, from no health clearance requirement, to requiring hips and eyes is a very good start!

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    "OFA" does not include elbows?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hhlabradors
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson
    Let's face it, from no health clearance requirement, to requiring hips and eyes is a very good start!

    Chris
    "OFA" does not include elbows?

    Let's face it...from no health clearance requirement, to requiring hips and eyes is a very good start!

    Rather than showing crying icons about what's not been done, how about a little "reinforcement of the positive behavior" for what has been done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson
    Rather than showing crying icons about what's not been done, how about a little "reinforcement of the positive behavior" for what has been done?

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    Like Don Rickles used to always say, "It's a tough room" But good job Chris, It seems the world weighs on your shoulders. We have not seen any Bus and Boys photos in a bit. Stop trying to single handedly fix all that is wrong with the retriever world show us some cute puppy and kid action, OK Dude? 8)
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    ATTA BOY Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson
    Quote Originally Posted by hhlabradors
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson
    Let's face it, from no health clearance requirement, to requiring hips and eyes is a very good start!

    Chris
    "OFA" does not include elbows?

    Let's face it...from no health clearance requirement, to requiring hips and eyes is a very good start!

    Rather than showing crying icons about what's not been done, how about a little "reinforcement of the positive behavior" for what has been done?

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    Because I believe that elbow dysplasia is more crippling than hip dysplasia, and that elbow clearances are part of the bare minimum package. This (the ability to post litters and sell pups thru RTF) could be a strong enough motivation for some people to do elbows who otherwise wouldn't.

    Hips and eyes don't impress me much. Anyone who doesn't do those is way outside the norm expected for a "responsible" breeder, and anyone who buys a pup from a breeder who doesn't do those gets what s/he deserves. I feel leaving out elbows is missing a golden opportunity to really do some good with this.

    Would my positive reinforcement really have any effect on your behavior? Somehow, I doubt it. No point wasting either of our time.

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    Elanor,

    I've gotten several PM's from folks with respectfully delivered suggestions and/or requests. I would not say that your approach is a waste of time. I will say that the others' approaches have been more effective and motivating for me personally.

    Please and Thank You regards,

    Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson
    The goal is to have breeders demonstrate that they are taking precautions to produce and sell puppies with health and function in mind. I'm told that there are litters currently on RTF (labradors) where the breeders have made no attempt to determine physical soundness of the parents' hips or eyes.


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    YES, dogs need to have thier eyes cleared. But ONE # does NOT say the eyes are good 5 years later. There are breeders that do NOT send in the paperwork, but DO test their dogs EVERY year, and supply copies of all the clearance papers to puppy buyers. I have to ask what is better, 1 # or 5-6 sheets showing the dog tested clear every year?
    just wondering aloud.

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    Thanks chris I have purchased six puppies in the last two years,that RTF was the advertizer.Now it will be even easier to weed out the ones that fall short of at least that standard.We all want the best quality we can find in a retriever,and are willing to pay the price for it.If we buy one , the minimum will be CERF,OFA or Penn Hip,CNM Clear by parentage or tested.Yes, elbows would be nice too.Even with that standard one can end up in heartbreak if the cleared parents are carriers....but the elemant of risk is lower.

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