The RetrieverTraining.Net Forums The Retriever Academy
Total Retriever Training with Mike Lardy
Hawkeye Media Gunners Up Tritronics Outdoor Media
Page 1 of 5 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 45

Thread: How would a Seasoned judge view/score/judge this?

  1. #1
    Senior Member HuntinDawg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    2,840

    Default How would a Seasoned judge view/score/judge this?

    First some background:
    My dog sometimes has a momentum problem on blinds. Sometimes in training if he is taking a good line, but is going too slow or is slowing down I will give him a "back" nick "back" and it will help. Other times I will just say "back" again with no nick and it will help.

    Now the question: If he was running a Seasoned blind and he was going slowly or decelerating too soon and I said "back" again to restore his momentum, how would the judge view/judge/score this? If he is really on line then stopping him and giving him a loud "back" would likely put him on a worse line to the blind (because the act of sitting on the whistle would put him off-line). In the event that this situation arises I just need to know whether it would be a bad idea from a judging perspective to give him an en-route "back" command.

    OK, OK, I know I shouldn't have entered the dog until I had this straightened out, but the problem arose after I sent my money in and since I've paid, his butt is going. It is getting better, but still happens sometimes.

    Thanks.
    ---------------------------------------------
    HRCH "Boomer" MH
    UH HR "Hunter" SH (RIP)

    "When you go to a test or a trial, your dog should be underwhelmed." ~ Evan Graham

    "It is unreasonable to expect a dog to be more precise than you are." ~ Rex Carr

    "You own what you condone." ~ Mike Lardy

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Belfalls, Tx
    Posts
    173

    Default

    How slow does he get down to? Does he pop if he isnt reinforced? I think that is what the judges are going to assume you are trying to prevent. In the end, I think it would just be viewed as a cast, but I bet they would be watching closely to try to figure out why you felt the need to do it.

  3. #3
    Senior Member Steve Hester's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Fort Worth, Texas
    Posts
    1,659

    Default

    Nothing wrong with giving a back cast to reinforce the back command. As long as the dog takes the cast, then no markdown.
    "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have." - Thomas Jefferson

  4. #4
    Senior Member HuntinDawg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    2,840

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zack
    How slow does he get down to? Does he pop if he isnt reinforced? I think that is what the judges are going to assume you are trying to prevent. In the end, I think it would just be viewed as a cast, but I bet they would be watching closely to try to figure out why you felt the need to do it.
    No, he doesn't pop, but when he slows down he doesn't run as straight and will need to be stopped and cast...and/or he will begin to hunt and will need to be stopped and cast. It drives me nuts when he does it while running a perfect line because I know if I stop and cast him he won't be on as good of a line as he was originally.
    ---------------------------------------------
    HRCH "Boomer" MH
    UH HR "Hunter" SH (RIP)

    "When you go to a test or a trial, your dog should be underwhelmed." ~ Evan Graham

    "It is unreasonable to expect a dog to be more precise than you are." ~ Rex Carr

    "You own what you condone." ~ Mike Lardy

  5. #5

    Default Seasoned Dog

    Giving a verbal back is not a problem when running a blind in Seasoned. It is a cast plain and simple.

    Janet Kimbrough
    JK'sboxofchocolates

    SHR Diggs, Soul, Mooney and always HRCH Cinn SH 500 pt club (06/92 to 01/98), HR Rocks (09/99 to 05/04), HRCH UH Schooner SH 1000 pt club (11/95 to 11/07) and HRCH UH Wagars MH 1500 pt club (12/01 to 09/13).

  6. #6
    Senior Member HuntinDawg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    2,840

    Default Re: Seasoned Dog

    Quote Originally Posted by jksboxofchocolates
    Giving a verbal back is not a problem when running a blind in Seasoned. It is a cast plain and simple.

    Janet Kimbrough
    Janet, you understand that this "cast" would be given with the dog already in motion (moving away from the handler), not after a whistle sit, right? Still OK?

    Thanks for the reply.
    ---------------------------------------------
    HRCH "Boomer" MH
    UH HR "Hunter" SH (RIP)

    "When you go to a test or a trial, your dog should be underwhelmed." ~ Evan Graham

    "It is unreasonable to expect a dog to be more precise than you are." ~ Rex Carr

    "You own what you condone." ~ Mike Lardy

  7. #7
    Senior Member labman52738's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Southeast Iowa
    Posts
    395

    Default

    I think if you are going to have to give him a back command, that you stop him and handle him to the blind. The blinds in HRC are only 60 yrds. I feel that if you are giving him a Back command while he is still en route to the blind, just slowing down, I would consider that a form of intimidation. This is just my opinion, whether or not it is right or not, that is how I would judge it.
    Proud home of:
    MHR Murphys Magnum of Walnut Creek "Maggie"
    MHR HRCH Murphys Chevy Bel Air "Chevy"

  8. #8
    Senior Member Margo Ellis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Location
    Montana
    Posts
    1,421

    Default

    It is just another cast pray the dog takes it and doesn't go off into left field some place.

    In training go to bucket blinds to improve his momentum.
    Margo Ellis

    “Any woman who does not thoroughly enjoy tramping across the country on a clear, frosty morning with a good gun and a pair of dogs does not know how to enjoy life.” ~ Annie Oakley
    ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º>¸.
    ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><((((º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><((((º>

    In All Thy Ways Acknowledge Him And He Shall Direct Thy Paths. Proverbs 3:6

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2003
    Location
    On this crazy planet in N.E Texas
    Posts
    1,253

    Default

    I agree with Janet and Margo. Just another cast.
    "Force fetch isn't about retrieving as much as it is conditioning a dog to handle pressure, in a very controlled environment. It's about putting a dog in the position of having to figure out how to turn off pressure by finding the correct response. This translates into numerous areas in training." Sharon Potter.

  10. #10
    Senior Member Gun_Dog2002's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Mohawk Valley
    Posts
    8,645

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by labman52738
    I think if you are going to have to give him a back command, that you stop him and handle him to the blind. The blinds in HRC are only 60 yrds. I feel that if you are giving him a Back command while he is still en route to the blind, just slowing down, I would consider that a form of intimidation. This is just my opinion, whether or not it is right or not, that is how I would judge it.
    Have you read the thread on WRC regarding yelling back enroute on a blind and if that constitutes intimidation?

    /Paul
    Paul Cantrell
    Black Ice Retrievers
    Marcola OR

    Too many dogs to list (By some Bitch)

    https://www.facebook.com/BlackIceRetrievers
    http://gundog2002.blogspot.com/
    "Helping Hunters Train Their Dogs"

Similar Threads

  1. How do you become a judge?
    By j towne in forum RTF - Retriever Training Forum
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 06-12-2009, 10:54 AM
  2. Who would you rather run under? Judge A or Judge B
    By Ken Bora in forum RTF - Retriever Training Forum
    Replies: 41
    Last Post: 07-18-2007, 10:23 PM
  3. SR Judge...
    By wenglish in forum RTF - Retriever Training Forum
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 02-14-2007, 11:41 AM
  4. You be the Judge
    By badbullgator in forum RTF - Retriever Training Forum
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 02-13-2007, 04:44 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •