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    9 week old BLM. Sire and Dam both point, not sure if this pup will or not but sure hope he does.

    I hunt ducks, geese, pheasant and quail.

    I've read: "Training the Pointing Labrador"

    I would like to see some training in action and would like to hear your opinion on which videos/training methods are great.

    Methods that will take me from start to finish would be best but if I have to take a little from hear and there I can do that too.

    Thanks!

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    "I've read: "Training the Pointing Labrador""

    That is a solid reference.

    Methods that will take me from start to finish would be best but if I have to take a little from here and there I can do that too.

    For training think in terms of compartmentalizing the "freedom" mentality of search/pointing vs. the control disciplines of retrieving.
    Balancing both is a continuing process. Doing so minimizes conflicts. Since these are two very different mentalities/skills.....a fully
    trained pointing Labrador will take longer. Don't rush the flow.

    I would like to see some training in action and would like to hear your opinion on which videos/training methods are great.

    You might access the APLA Website for videos.

    My experiences with a MPR/HRCH/MH titled pointing Lab (many years ago) and the present day experience with Hilllmann's retriever program is that
    his retriever program would mesh extremely well with Julie Knutson's reference on the pointing Labrador.

    edit: The pup must have a natural, instinctive point......
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    Good points Kwick.

    Didn't find much for videos over at APLA and the forums over there are pretty slow....

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    Jim is right on BALANCE and the natural point - good luck on that.

    I believe you would find the book referenced here: http://steadywithstyle.com/training-...pointing-dogs/ , and the method it describes invaluable for the bird manners aspect of a pointing labs' training. I did though I used carded pigeons over the launcher/releaser tools. The steadywithstyle site also has a bunch of other articles which amplify on the method.

    Jere

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    Hi Jere,

    Thank for the website, tons of good stuff there!

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    Julie's program is one of the best for pointing labs. Remember these are not like conventional pointers, so please dont try to train the point into the dog... When my dog was young I just put him on lots of birds and stayed out of it. If he has a tendency to point it will come out if you dont try to force it. I would put out birds, let my dog find and interact with them, they will freeze at first then flush, dont shot the bird... Let it fly away with little to no intervention. If your dog is smart he will catch on that a pressured bird will fly away.... if he points just let him and dont get involved, as he progresses through the rest of his retriever training he will learn about steadyness. In no time you will be rewarding his points with a flushed bird, a pop and a retrieve... But in these early days just let him figure out what the birds are and how to interact them...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Gxzk7PrE0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-lhWcDA89E

    Notice how it just natural!!!
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    Hi Vater,

    I see you have a GMPR - congrats on that. When you said you put him on lots of birds, were they strictly wild birds, planted pen birds, launchers, carded pigeons?

    What did you use?

    I trained my prior dog (GSP) to initially be steady through the fall. I used pigeons and remote launchers and pretty much kept my mouth shut. Oh and as many wild birds as I could find.

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    Never launchers at this age!!!! Carded pigeons I never used, but I do know you do not want the dog to trap the bird and catch it... I had lots of wild birds in my back yard that I could not shot anyway, so I was forced to just let nature take its coarse... Planted pen birds are great too. But you have to let them fly away. If you have buddies with dogs, put out the birds run the puppy first, then put him up and clean up your birds with the big dogs... Your trying let your dog learn the game... I used birds in a cage to really build birdieness and then set them free and let the pup figure it out.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8qgswbfnBc

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmnMjTGMX0E

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df7QFuozCQM
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    By the time he is where my dog is in this last video, you would begin to teach Whoa!

    What area are you in, best advise I can give you is to find a Pointing Lab club, we have them in about every state... Join one and get out their with some like minded people and train...
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    There are a lot of video clips here: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...eLbC43Tvj66T3t

    and here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANFR...8GZE_BhV0bVbPR

    I never trained a verbal whoa. In fact I never spoke to them while they were on birds other than to release them for a retrieve. Both dogs were started on wild birds until they were finding and pointing birds and theen steadied to wing, shot and fall using carded pigeons and wild birds in the West System - a variant of the system described in Mo's book.

    A few pictures from a 2009 photo essay of hunting in Alaska with these dogs:










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