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    Last night my little black female whelped 8 very beautiful and healthy pups, all of which are doing well! The question I have and I feel stupid for asking, is I am having trouble determining their color. The last two litters with Mattie I bred her to my yellow male and the pups were all black. This time I bred her to an MHR Choc. male, we knew we had a slight chance she was choc. factored. So here is the deal out of the eight pups she whelped last night four of them have dark brown noses. I mean they look completely different color than the pups with the black nose, however to look at the pups coats you can not see any brown at all. Just looking at the coat color they all look black as coal. Out of the last two litters (15 pups) never did one have a brown nose. So my question is do you think they are very dark choc. pups and the coat color will become noticalbe or are the black pups? I am not tyring to spam here but there two pictures of the pups up on my website. In two of the pictures you can get a pretty good idea at the differnt nose color. Honestly I think they are all black but the nose color is causing a question mark.

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    I'm no expert on genetics, but if you bred her to a yellow and got all black pups she is only black factored.
    It sounds to me that the pups are probably all black but have choco pigment seeing how they will be choco factored.
    But like I said I'm no geneticist.
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    Well I know I am not genetics expert but I thought the previous breeding just proved the she is not yellow factored. Maybe I am wrong about that. I also thought that if she is choc. factored and my yellow was not, then we would have only had black puppies as well. Like I said I am no expert but I thought I was right on this.

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    Yeah I think your right. I was just saying chances are they are all black.
    Check this out for some answers.
    http://www.blueknightlabs.com/color/coatcolor.html
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    Looking at the pictures, I think they are all black and that one pictured with the off color nose appears to have a pink tint rather than brown in the photo. It could be an area that would be white if there was hair on it....like the bolo spots behind the feet on black puppies. often those pups also have pink splotches on their pads, So I would guess that this could also appear on the nose. The pigment might also fill in darker, like yellow pups who are born with totally pink noses that darken within the first week to a nice black color.
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    They are all black just have a pink nose that will darken in a week or so. We had a litter with a couple like that about a year and half ago.
    Cant complain......Wouldnt do me any good to complain anyways

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    Thanks for the repelies I was pretty sure that they were black but I haven't ever had black pups with a brown nose before.

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