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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Atkinson
    Now that I'm through "basics" and into "transition" I use 99.9% of the time "momentary". I've still gotten in the habit of tapping the button(s). So I depress the button(s) identically whether in low, med, or high momentary.

    Is it possible that in "high" momentary, the collar is still giving off stimulus after I release the button, or is it that the low momentary is so incredibly brief that it is not humanly possible to tap and release that quickly?
    1. It is not humanly possible to tap and release that quickly.

    2. Tapping the buttons, can cause some inconsistent resposnes. I'm not sure which models or modes. But Lardy was trying to demonstrate this with a 500 G2 and couldn't do it but he could with his 500 XLS in momentary. Sometimes he'd get a nick, sometimes nothing. It didn't seem to do it in continuous mode.

    3. Trying to tap a High, which is both buttons, is even more complicated and inconsistent.

    Hope that helps.

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    In this digital age, I agree they don't overlap unless Tritronics software is written to overlap (& they say it's not), but it may not be mathmatically linear either (not that it is crucial). Tritronics does say 6 is hotter than 5, 5 is hotter than 4 , etc & that with each level you get low, med & high.

    I think we observe a preceived overlap or inconsistent correction application due to variables completely outside of the e-collar. The dog is usually moving, so the dog's hair provides a variable resistance. The dog's neck varies somewhat in size do to slight variations in weight, muscle tone, momentary stress etc in relation to the e-collar fit so the e-collar is more or less effective in transmitting the nick/burn. In the water a better conduction path is provided. All variables outside of the e-collar itself.
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    Just got out my G2 for some very unscientific testing. I can match or beat the high momentary setting by tapping the buttons. This was determined by hooking up a test light to the electrodes. As Doug stated, the difference in low, medium and high momentary is duration. From what I can see with a test light, the low momentary nick would be practically useless at anything but the highest level to get any kind of correction.

    I got no inconsistent reponses with the G2 will tapping the buttons. However, I did run the battery down on my collar while playing with it. I am also happy to report that I managed to not give myself a correction while playing with the collar.

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    I sure like the new on/off button on the collar. On my old one you had to hold the stim button down until the collar turned off. One time it was giving me some trouble and I ended up turning the collar up to 6 while trying to turn it off. All I can say is it hurt like hell, I vocalized and I could actually hear the spark as it welded my hand to the contacts.

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    This is how it works with the Pro 500 --

    First you have five levels of power, that is a given.

    Second you have three intensities. Intensities are based on pulses.

    Low intensity (bottom button alone) the pulses are more spread apart, might be represented by this: - - - - <pulse> - - - - <pulse> - - - - <pulse>

    Medium intensity (top button alone) the pulses come closer together, might be represented by this: - - <pulse> - - <pulse> - - <pulse>

    High intensity (top and bottom button together) is LITERALLY just that, the top buttons intensity and the bottom buttons intensity combined together and might look like this: - <pulse> - <pulse> - <pulse>

    So to answer your question "is there overlap?" Not really, because there are very real differences between the levels of power, and between power and intensity.

    As Zack said a 3-high might feel worse to the dog than a 4-low because it is more intense, despite the 4-low having more power.

    This is one of the things that is so ingenious about these tools. Not all dogs are the same. Some can deal with the power, some can't. Some can't deal with the intensity, some can. You can thoughtfully dial in the tool specifically to your dog.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableLabs
    This is how it works with the Pro 500 --

    First you have five levels of power, that is a given.
    All my Pro 500's have 6 levels.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zack
    All my Pro 500's have 6 levels.
    I don't consider "0" a level. :P
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    (Pssst Kevin, the newer models have 6 instead of 5 )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swampcollie
    (Pssst Kevin, the newer models have 6 instead of 5 )
    Ooops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableLabs
    Quote Originally Posted by Swampcollie
    (Pssst Kevin, the newer models have 6 instead of 5 )
    Ooops.
    Its ok Kevin. you just forgot to keep going on the next hand...

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