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    In October I attended a Dr. Hutchinson seminar on reproduction.
    It was fantastic to say the least.

    Here is some very interesting information that most people are not aware of.

    *The testicles are in the scrotum at 5-6 wks old
    The left comes down first
    IF the right testie is there and not the left - then there is cause for concern.
    If the left is there, good chance the right will follow.
    If you have to neuter FIND OUT WHY the testie did not come down.
    If one cord is shorter than the other, then it is genetic - HOWEVER - the cord can be
    wrapped around the testie not allowing it to drop.
    If both cords are the same length, then it is not genetic.

    Unfortunately when this happens, people just neuter the dog and decide that it is
    genetic.
    When in fact, it could possibly be fixed when they go into neuter!

    So Connie determine which testie has dropped. If it is the left, then "chances" are the
    right will drop later. If the pup has to be neutered, then I would want a vet that can determine cord length, and if the testie was hung up before I decided to blame it on the
    bitch or more commonly the stud dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janice Gunn View Post
    In October I attended a Dr. Hutchinson seminar on reproduction.
    It was fantastic to say the least.

    Here is some very interesting information that most people are not aware of.

    *The testicles are in the scrotum at 5-6 wks old
    The left comes down first
    IF the right testie is there and not the left - then there is cause for concern.
    If the left is there, good chance the right will follow.
    If you have to neuter FIND OUT WHY the testie did not come down.
    If one cord is shorter than the other, then it is genetic - HOWEVER - the cord can be
    wrapped around the testie not allowing it to drop.
    If both cords are the same length, then it is not genetic.

    Unfortunately when this happens, people just neuter the dog and decide that it is
    genetic.
    When in fact, it could possibly be fixed when they go into neuter!

    So Connie determine which testie has dropped. If it is the left, then "chances" are the
    right will drop later. If the pup has to be neutered, then I would want a vet that can determine cord length, and if the testie was hung up before I decided to blame it on the
    bitch or more commonly the stud dog.
    That's very interesting. Leave it to Dr Hutch to give a valid explanation why breeders don't see what the literature says we should. He is also against early spay and neutering and I think he has that right also.
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    left testicle looking from which direction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    left testicle looking from which direction?
    Press his anal opening firmly against your forehead....the testicle covering your LEFT eye will be his aforementioned testicle
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    Quote Originally Posted by mjh345 View Post
    left testicle looking from which direction?
    If you were in Missouri and were facing Arkansas then left would be the direction of Kentucky. HPW
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    Quote Originally Posted by dback View Post
    Press his anal opening firmly against your forehead....the testicle covering your LEFT eye will be his aforementioned testicle
    Now THAT'S funny!
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    Love this thread, folks; it's the way discussions should be: lots of info, not all agreeing, but most of it contributing to topic.

    I personally have always paid more heed to experienced breeders than to vets (on breeding/whelping/etc issues), unless they are vet/trainers/breeders themselves, or are specialists like Dr. Hutchinson. For example, umbilical hernias: every chessie litter we bred had hernias; top FT lines-- Lorraine Sarek's Fannie, with 2 Open wins, would never have existed if we had decided to eliminate our great bitch Dancer from breeding due to hernias. But ask most vets.....

    Would be more concerned re breeding monorchids, but really learned something from Janice re what Hutchinson has to say. This will help all of us dealing w/ this issue!

    Bottom line: buyer chose "one-nut boy." He plans to FT pup, but breeding is not a priority. Today I located the previously missing RIGHT testicle, now in the inguinal canal, so am hopeful it will continue to descend.

    Thanks for all the contributions, and thanks Janice for the info from Hutchinson's seminar: would love to attend one, & maybe it's time for him to write a book?

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    Actually Dr. Hutch has a couple of new DVD's out.
    You can purchase off his website.

    One is a re-hash of the seminar talk...and the 2nd one is on whelping

    Called:
    Maximizing Conception in the Bitch
    Successful whelping and neonatal survial

    www.northviewvet.com

    And nooooooooo........I don't get a commission!

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    1. Are there other genetic traits that "go along" with a dog that is cryptorchid? Or, is it acceptable to breed a stud dog that is cryptorchid?

    2. Is it imperative to have surgery performed on a cryptorchid to 1) avoid increased risk of cancer and 2) avoid increased risk of torsion? Are these valid concerns or is literature on cryptorchids inaccurate?

    3. If, during surgery, it is determined that both cords are the same length (i.e., cryptorchid is not genetic), then should the owner NOT neuter that dog?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiRollerlabs View Post
    1. Would you breed to a cryptorchid?

    2. Is it imperative to have surgery performed on a cryptorchid to 1) avoid increased risk of cancer and 2) avoid increased risk of torsion? Are these valid concerns or is literature on cryptorchids inaccurate?
    I know of and have heard of testicles descending at 8 to 12 months of age, I would not consider removing the undescended testicle until after one year of age. If this is a working dog I would remove the undescended testicle and leave the descended one.

    Undescended testicles are predisposed to testicular neoplasia but this generally happens after 5 years of age.

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