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Will it ever end?

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#1 ·
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22571349/?GT1=10755


I am beyond tired of it. Know what I got for losing a roof in Charlie and severe damage from Wilma? You guessed it zero dollars. Then again, know what I asked for…..yep zero. Know what I SUED for……again……
Die already I am sick of the it is not my responsibility attitude that people have that makes them think they are entitled to something. Even worse are the stinking attorneys that will sue anyone over anything.
 
#2 ·
Even if all are denied anything for their claims the dollars spent in defending Army Corps will be staggering. 60,000 suits filed by one attorney, wonder what the total number of suits is against all parties. And We the Smucks (er... People) will be paying for it all.

I too lost my roof in Charlie and went after the same amount you did.
 
#3 ·
Any lawyer that would sue for that amount of money should be dis barred and the taken into the town square and let people walk by and kick them in the b....

Why dont lawyers put energy into something good like a injunction keeping paris hilton from being on TV.
 
#4 ·
You guys have been thru some terrible times....a wonder you hang in there....but it's home and I would do the same up here. Turning the hard times to good times takes time, but more importantly it takes the right attitude, working hard and taking responsibility. Just what you have done and are doing...You have my respect....RESPECT.
 
#5 ·
BBG and Capt'n D, did the Army Corp of Engineers build the roofs on your homes? If they did, then you should have sued.

That is what the suits are about. The Corp built faulty levees that were suppose to handle Cat 3 hurricanes. The city was hit by a Cat2 and the water didn't breach the levees, it crumbled them! Florida has also never seen the extent of damage done like that of Katrina. To imagine the extent of damage, picture 20 feet of water covering 80% of Orlando and three additional counties! That was in La alone and not counting Mississippi.

I'm all against frivilous law suits and many of these are. I also think that when one choose to live in an area below sea level, that you take your own lumps when it floods. However, the levees were suppose to protect the city up to a Cat4 hurricane and that is what the citizens of the city have been told for years by the Corp!

I doubt 1% on these suits will ever come to fruition. The good news is the price of petroleum is up and as the largest producer of gasoline in the lower 48 states, the state will start receiving a higher percentage of the offshore oil royalities. The Feds have been raping the state long enough and we are finally on a path of receiving a percentage closer to our fair share of our offshore royalties.
 
#6 · (Edited)
BBG and Capt'n D, did the Army Corp of Engineers build the roofs on your homes? If they did, then you should have sued.

That is what the suits are about. The Corp built faulty levees that were suppose to handle Cat 3 hurricanes. The city was hit by a Cat2 and the water didn't breach the levees, it crumbled them! Florida has also never seen the extent of damage done like that of Katrina. To imagine the extent of damage, picture 20 feet of water covering 80% of Orlando and three additional counties! That was in La alone and not counting Mississippi.

I'm all against frivilous law suits and many of these are. I also think that when one choose to live in an area below sea level, that you take your own lumps when it floods. However, the levees were suppose to protect the city up to a Cat4 hurricane and that is what the citizens of the city have been told for years by the Corp!

I doubt 1% on these suits will ever come to fruition. The good news is the price of petroleum is up and as the largest producer of gasoline in the lower 48 states, the state will start receiving a higher percentage of the offshore oil royalities. The Feds have been raping the state long enough and we are finally on a path of receiving a percentage closer to our fair share of our offshore royalties.
All well and good, but if I lived in an area that is basically below sea level and was only protected by ***** and levees I would not hold the Corps responsible for damage to my home. For example, Lake Okeechobee is dyked by those same engineers and I for one would never build anything of value near the lake, nor would I stay there in a big storm, nor would I sue the corps for an act of God. I accept that my roof blew off because I live in an area prone to hurricanes and that is nobodies fault but my own. There are consequences to every action and living somewhere is a choice. If you are redheaded with fair skin and prone to skin cancer Arizona may not be a good place for you.
BTW I have always heard the levees where built to withstand category 3 hurricanes, not 4’s???
I agree with you on the oil and have been have voiced my opinions on offshore drilling in Florida to my representatives many times. I am all for it and would love to see some platforms in my neck of the woods.

I just did some checking and all I find is that they were build to withstand a 3 and not a 4.
Both of these quotes are form The Times-Picayune

There was, at the same time, a growing recognition that more research was needed to see what New Orleans must do to protect itself from a Category 4 or 5 hurricane. But once again, the money was not there. As the Times-Picayune reported last Sept. 22:

The levee system was designed to protect the city from a hurricane that would have been weaker than Katrina, a Category 4 hurricane.
 
#7 ·
Folks along the Mississippi river were hit in the great flood of 93 since then they have a high water mark. They call it the 500 year flood mark. After the flood came and eventually went houses that were damaged more than 75% could not be rebuilt and remain below the high water mark + a few more feet. Building permits for new houses had to be above this as well. The river is corp controlled. Are the levee's corp, private or city built that keep NO from returning to a swamp. What happens when a bigger huricane hits and it floods again and it will. There are 2 kinds of levee's ones that fail and one that will. Maybe all the house's should be raised above sea level.
 
#8 · (Edited)
Build your house in a hole surrounded by water and you gonna get wet.
 
#10 ·
And Guess Who Gets Rich????Those lawyers - just like our 'beloved' political bottom feeders. Not just those cited below. We do take GOOD care of ALL of them.

And Bill Watson thought he had hidden my soap box.

If Hillary wins in 2008 and Bill is 'appointed' to fill her Senate
seat and either live to retire 'they' (together or alone) would get two US Presidential retirement checks, two US Senate retirement checks, and a retirement check from the State of Arkansas .

About the only thing they MIGHT NOT get is a Social Security check....but I wouldn't bet on it....

I understand ole Bill has earned $40,000,000 in the past six years.

What a guy!

AND THE REST OF THE STORY... Hilarious Rotten Clinton, as a New York State Senator, now comes under the 'Congressional Retirement and Staffing Plan,' which means that even if she never gets reelected, she STILL receives her Congressional salary until she dies. (Would it not be nice if all Americans were pension eligible after only 4 years?)

If Bill outlives her, he then inherits HER salary until HE dies. He is already getting his Presidential salary until he dies. If Hillary outlives Bill, she also gets HIS salary until she dies. Guess who pays for that?

It's common knowledge that in order for her to establish NY residency, they purchased a million dollar-plus house in upscale Chappaqua , New York .

Makes sense!

They are entitled to Secret Service protection for life.
Still makes sense.
Here is where it becomes interesting. Their mortgage payments hover at around $10,000 per month. BUT, an extra residence 'had' to be built within the acreage to house the Secret Service agents
The Clintons charge the Federal government $10,000 monthly rent for the use of that extra residence, which is about equal to their mortgage payment. This means that we, the taxpayers, are paying the Clinton 's salary, mortgage, transportation, safety and security, as well as the salaries for their 12 man staff -- and, this is all perfectly legal!
 
#12 ·
“Katrina victim sues U.S. for $3 quadrillion” that is retarded....I continue to shake my head in disbelief at the entitle mentality that has erupted in this country. Lets not talk about the year of misappropriated funds for levies lets just sue for three quadrillion dollars…that’s just dumber than a sack of hammer.


I think we should give back Louisiana to the French
 
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#13 ·
"I understand the anger," Scott said. "I also understand it's a negotiating tactic: Aim high and negotiate down."


Weeping Jesus on the cross that article can’t be real…tell me people aren’t that freaking dumb in Louisiana …I am freaking embarrassed that the State of Oklahoma file for federal disaster aid over last months ice storm but this is off the chart.
 
#15 · (Edited)
First of all, in the past the city has endured hurricanes much worse than Katrina. It is the oil companies and the Corp of Engineers that have destroyed our natural protection. That meaning much of our coastal marshes. The Corp's. MRGO project is what let most of the water in. Compounded with the faulty levees they built! The levees were not topped, they caved in.

Second, if we could succeed from the union, I'd be all for it. But, with the departure of Louisiana, we keep our offshore oil production. Remember, we are by far the largest producer in the lower 48. We produce more oil than the other 47 states combined, including Texas. We sell our oil for whatever price we can, join OPEC and price fix. Because most of the oil gets refined here, we charge a $5.00 per gallon Refinery Tax for all gasoline sold out of the Kingdom of Louisiana.

We are a Republican state, so we could tell all the Democrats in the state to move elsewhere. Partner with Dubai and biuld a super-port at the mouth of the Mississippi river and charge huge amounts of money for any ship passing through. Make Louisiana the Dubai of the western hemisphere and every citizen gets a free Mercedes Benz pickup truck every other year! With that, we do what Dubai does and pay huge saleries to the best educators in the world.

I got news for y'all but the other lower 47 states are more of a burden to us than we are to the other 47. And, y'all get to keep Hillary and Obama.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

Oh, I almost forgot. Since we harvest more ducks and geese than any other state, we ban all non-resident hunting!

And, with a small portion of our Chump Change, we could buy all the NFL teams and move them here, I can see it now; the Baton Rouge Patriots, Lafayette Colts, Lake Charles Packers, Shreveport Broncos, Monroe Seahawks, Mamou Cowboys...
 
#16 ·
First of all, in the past the city has endured hurricanes much worse than Katrina. It is the oil companies and the Corp of Engineers that have destroyed our natural protection. That meaning much of our coastal marshes. The Corp's. MRGO project is what let most of the water in. Compounded with the faulty levees they built! The levees were not topped, they caved in.

So you know the Corps built poor levees and the oil companies have it in for you but yet you insist on rebuilding in a bowl below sea level. Like someone said, expect to get wet. They should be suing their own mayor and governer, but that might be difficult since they actually RE-ELECTED the incompetent mayor. There may have been enough money to pay for proper levees if the city wasn't one big welfare state. The Corps of Engineers was screaming for 30 years that the levees needed to be upgraded so how is this their fault?
 
#19 ·
MRGO will be closed soon enough, conservative estimates peg the cost @240,000,000.00 tax payer dollars. Gotta remember that New Orleans levee boards used much of the federal money for pet projects including the river boat casinos. There is plenty of blame to go around but most of it can be laid at the feet of the N/O political machine. They were told 40 years ago that the levees were insufficiant to with stand a Cat 3 direct hit. They did what most do, pray it won't happen and keep playing the fiddle.

Banana Republic Regards
 
#20 · (Edited)
First of all, there was only ONE river boat operating in Orleans pre-Katrina. That was the Bally's boat built by the lakefront airport. Bally paid for moring and docking. The levee board only had jurisdiction of the property and actually makes money off of the river boat.

The money for new levees was NEVER appropriated!

Not saying that NO is perfect, far from it. But, look who has been running the city for the last 30 years. Those folks are on the outs because the demographics have changed enough to oust them. Don't forget that in our recent Gubernatorial election, Orleans voted Republican. A first in over three decades!
 
#21 · (Edited)
Mr. Booty,
If you guys do secede from the union, you have to take back all the welfare folk that are now living everywhere except Louisiana. And I don't know where Cajuns get their information that tells them they produce more oil than the other 47 states combined. This website give oil production for all states and each state's offshore production for 2006: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/pet_crd_crpdn_adc_mbblpd_a.htm

Even if you add all the Federal Offshore Padd 3 numbers (which includes the whole Gulf Coast area) to Louisiana's legitimate numbers (the land production and the offshore production), your claims don't even come close to adding up. In fact, it appears to me that Alaska is the mumber one oil producing state, with Louisiana being number 1 in the lower 48 states only if they claim all the production from Federal Padd 3, which as I understand it, belongs to the United States, not Louisiana. If you subtract the total Federal Offshore Padd 3 numbers from Louisiana's imaginary total, Alaska, Texas and California each produce way more oil than Louisiana. Texas has way more refineries than any state in the 50 states, way more producing rigs than any other state, and more proven reserves (both oil and gas) than any other state (even if Louisana claims all of the proven reserves from Federal Offshore Padd 3). Louisiana is definitely an important player in the oil business, but your claims appear to be extremely inflated. And I'm pretty sure that if you guys decide to "succeed" from the Union, the U.S. is not going to make you a gift of the Federal Offshore Padd 3.
 
#24 ·
In fact, it appears to me that Alaska is the mumber one oil producing state, with Louisiana being number 1 in the lower 48 states only if they claim all the production from Federal Padd 3, which as I understand it, belongs to the United States, not Louisiana.


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Who it belongs to is debatable. Padd 3 royalities were renegotiated last year by La., so the Feds must think we have some claim to it. However, our new Gov. wants to renegotiate all La. offshore royalities. I also said that we are the largest producer in the lower 48.

Buster Brown, please read my post before you comment. I said that New Orleans has weather many Cat 5's and 4's in the past. The Katrina damage was man-made! Some say Katrina was a Cat 2, some a Cat3. The flooding was caused the Corp's MRGO project and the failure of the 17th street levee which was rebuilt less than 10 years ago by the Corp.!
 
#22 ·
To all "Hurricane Katrina Victims" I say you all are full of a bunch of bunk! Stop whining and crying. I'm sorry for you for whatever you lost but pick up and move on. You all are a bunch of cry babies and the rest of the nation is tired of picking up your slack.

What about several years ago when Florida got hit by 5 or six hurricanes all cat 3 or bigger. Did you hear them crying. In fact the entire east coast is at risk and is hit by Hurricanes every year..and millions of folks along the coast experience a hurricane every year...and yes they lose life and property...but they don't sue the government for 3 quadrillion dollars.

You guys are part of the problem with this nation. You're greedy and the feeling of entitlement will be, or more aptly is, your downfall.

If a terrible storm comes along and destroys my house who pays for that....me... But let a terrible storm come along and take your house away and Boohoo mean ol' government caused it. It's George Bush's Fault. He has a secret hurricane machine and he aimed it specifically at New Orleans and then when things were bad he took dynamite and blew the levees to maximize the loss of property and life! But if I had 3 quadrillion dollars I would feel a lot better about this hurricane thing... or perhaps once I get 3 quadrillion dollars I will try to extort more...

If a big ol' mean hurricane comes along and causes poor little New Orlean residents to get blown away and flooded, becaue they didn't maintain their levees (yes I said They!!) OMG!!!!!!!!!! It's the end of the world. It's George Bushes Fault. its' the Army Corps of engineers (which by the way I think I heard a lot of the money earmarked to shore up the levees was funneled off in some fashion by the currupt city of New Orleans...for years).

It's everyones elses fault but yours for failing to prepare. Why can't you people realize that it's your responsibility to prepare yourself and to take care of yourself. Nope it wasn't OUR fault we're ENTITLED!!!.... it was party time and Mardi gras and the New Orleans residents danced in the streets, for years or decades, or more, while they neglected to help theirselves... now disaster has struck and :cry: poor New Orleans and surrounding areas were treated badly by the "Gubment" and the mean ol' hurricane came and took all our stuff away.:cry::cry: Boohoo!!!!!!!!!!!

You reap what you sow.

Perhaps you should read the story about the grasshopper and the ant.:mad:
 
#23 ·
(which by the way I think I heard a lot of the money earmarked to shore up the levees was funneled off in some fashion by the currupt city of New Orleans...for years).
Surely you don't think that is possible in LA. Their political machine has a long and broad history of being honest, forthright, and being excellent stewards of the taxpayer's money. To accuse them of something as underhanded as this is simply ridiculous........ :rolleyes: :evil:
 
#25 ·
to answer the original question "When will it end?" I would have to sad NEVER...the entitlement mentality is entrenched in this country. Even in my own state we have this just this morning:
Governor Seeks More Ice Storm Assistance
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) - Gov. Brad Henry has asked the government for individual assistance to residents of Oklahoma and Tulsa counties who suffered uninsured damage during a devastating ice storm last month. Henry said Wednesday that more counties will be added to the request if individual assistance is approved for the two counties. The two-day storm knocked out electricity to more than 600,000 homes and businesses and led to the deaths of nearly 30 people. If Henry's request is approved, individuals can seek government help for housing repairs or temporary housing, U.S. Small Business Administration low-interest loans to repair or replace damaged property and other help. President Bush last month granted Henry's request for public assistance to 25 counties impacted by the storm.


A bunch of trees fell down and we went without power for 10 days...Holy CRAP....what's the big deal??? but now we need MORE federal assistance. We have become a nation of people that cant take care of themselves.

If you are not sickened by the tapping of FEMA, lawsuits, etc....I don't know what to tell you
 
#33 ·
Patrick,

As a fellow Tulsan who had trees fall on my house, damage my roof, kennels, and garage, I have to say a big hearty AMEN!

I was disgusted when I heard on KRMG that people were calling in saying "When is FEMA getting here? and How much will each of us get for repairs?" I honestly think some people were expecting some trailers to come up the road so they could move into them. It was/is ridiculous.

I am actually of the opinion that the $3,000,000 contract that Tulsa just signed for residential debris clean up is over the top. I cleaned up my own yard, and cut up my own beloved maple tree into little pieces. Why do I have to pay for Joe Citizen to have his done for him?

Hands in pockets regards.

tt
 
#31 · (Edited)
David Williams, Avery Pro-Staff. How sure are you that the company you represent, which I'm sure sells a helluva lot of gear in South Louisiana, would be OK with you basically writing off and trivializing the greatest natural disaster this country has ever endured? Doesn't sound like real good PR to me, a South Louisiana duck hunter who USED to purchase Avery gear, and suffered devastating losses from this storm. I do not live below sea level, I had 6 giant pine trees go through my home. Am I at fault for living near trees? Using your line of reason, no one should live in Kansas due to tornados, or Minnesota, due to ice storms, or California, due to mudslides, earthquakes and wildfires (well, maybe not California after all). My family has been in New Orleans for over 200 years. They survived yellow fever epidemics, river floods, hurricanes, and the War of Northern Aggression, and we are still here. This is very personal for us, sorry for the rant, but there it is, warts and all.
 
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