He goes to hard for ME anyway. I am sure more experienced FT and HT people have had some very hard charging dogs. I have worked on cheating for a while and he seemd to get it. Sometimes he would never cheat. Sometimes he would cheat in a new area and after a few minutes of showing him the proper route he would get it right. Today I took him to a place that we have worked on cheating before and he cheated numerous times before ever getting it right. Do I assume he's being a $#!^head or could he possibly be going so hard that he isn't thinking? The marks were with live ducks.