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    My girl has a partial tear of her ACL. Has anyone ever had a dog who had a partial tear and did not have surgury? I am to see a ortho vet tommorow. Any advice or experences would be appericiated.

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    If you wait to fix it until it tears completely, she will do more-and lasting-damage to the joint, and increase the chances of arthritis later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labraiser View Post
    My girl has a partial tear of her ACL. Has anyone ever had a dog who had a partial tear and did not have surgury? I am to see a ortho vet tommorow. Any advice or experences would be appericiated.scott
    partial tears eventually become complete tears, expedite the recovery and minimize the joint damage by early repair

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    My Cosmo male partially tore his left ACL last April. I recognized the problem when he started going to his left on his marks and blinds. The diagnosis was confirmed by two DVMs. My regular DVM told me to crate him for 3-4 months to let it heal and then bring him back slowly with long slow walks and swimming. I followed his instructions (lost a whole season of training) and could see the muscle mass coming back to his leg as we progressed. We did hunt this past fall and winter without any problems or lameness. I had him in to the Vet a couple of weeks ago for shots and he checked his leg and said it's good. Not perfect like his right but good. He said I can resume regular training and that he should have two asprin 325mg/each twice per day for two days on and two days off. We'll be resuming training soon and I'll keep you posted on his progress. I realize he will probably develope arthritis in the joint but, when you look at the surgery statistics it's not pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alron View Post
    when you look at the surgery statistics it's not pretty.
    I must have missed it, what surgery statistic is that?

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    In my experience all partial tears will become full tears in a working dog, and leaving them will not fix itself, scar tissue can't hold the knee together especially if the tibial plteau angle is exessive. Leaving it will just increase the chance of furthur damage to the CCL, meniscus and arthrittis. CCL injuries are difficult to diagnose atleast the partial tears becuase they still have stability unlike full tears especially when the dog in question has good muscel mass. If the dog is not sedated and manipulated for CCL injury it's an educated guess at best. I'd aslo love to read the "surgery statistic thats not pretty" becuase everything I've read states that partial tears "will" become full tears and surgical intervention especially TPLO has proven itself to fix active dogs.
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    Ed A. your a vet. Isn't it true that as high as 40% of the dogs that have cruciate surgery on one side end up having it done on the other side? Isn't it true that TPLO is a realatively new procedure and that as of this date there are no published studies documenting the procedures long term success rate? Isn't it true that for just about every TPLO success story you can find a TPLO horror story.

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    ligaments don't heal, as far as i know.

    what happens is, with rest, the pain associated with the trauma of the injury resolves as the swelling goes down. THE DOG APPEARS TO HAVE RECOVERED. however, it's a ticking time bomb, and when the ligament tears fully there may be collateral damage to tendons,cartilage and the meniscus.

    i'm unaware of the horror stories you allude to. many dogs do injure both sides. the orthopedic specialist i have seen tells me that the stats talk to all dogs. he told me the ones that are most at risk of blowing the other side are the overweight couch potatoes, not the athletic ones that are the proper weight and that are properly rehabilitated.
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    Paul Young is correct. I work with an ortho surgeon. Most of the dogs we deal with are 15-20 lbs overweight. The reason they tear the 2nd ACL is that they are putting all their weight on their "good" leg while recovering from surgery and that is just too much weight. Also, most people simply DO NOT FOLLOW POST SURGICAL INSTRUCTIONS!!!! I can't tell you how many dogs come back reinjured because the owners turned them loose in the back yard to air and they took off after a squirrel. Post surgery recovery is at least equally as important as the surgery. TPLO may be a newer surgery than TPO, but for bigger breed dogs, it is definitely the way to go.
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    Ed A can answer this better than me I am sure, but....I work at a veterinary hospital and also have a dog with a double tplo, so I see this injury alot and have first hand knowledge. The rate of reoccurence has nothing to do with the first knee getting a tplo, but the a fat dog will be much more likely to blow the knee sooner due to the fact that it will be shifting weight to the "good" leg after surgery. The angle of the bones in the dogs leg are what is most common for dogs who have doule cruciate repairs, so genetics plays a large part in this. Find a great ortho vet, there is one here in Maryland, Dr. Cannap at VOSM that deals alot with working dogs, and they can give you all the information you should need to make the best decision. Good luck, I know what a hard ordeal this is.

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