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    Perhaps the chief benefit of the Internet has been the "democratization" of information; no longer is it easy for DVMs and pharmaceutical companies to "control" the "facts" that are disseminated to the people. We, the common man, now have access to information on both sides of any argument.

    It is clear - and understandable - that many vets will fight the scientifically established findings and recommendations that Kris has posted directly from the veterinary research community and label them as "manure"...it threatens the "vaccine hook" which vets use to bring clients through the door and bolster their bottom lines.

    Armed with information from ALL sides of the vaccine issue, I think we, as pet owners, are better equipped to make informed decisions on the best care for our animals and not just what is the most profitable course of action for drug manufacturers and vet practices. JMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labdoc View Post
    Who would quote manure like this? Animals are living longer largely due to better nutrition and disease prevention by vaccinations and modern medicine. An opinion like this would be the same as me being quoted saying that Kris L. Christine's long, bold, red and black posts cause cancer. I can make the statement, some can take it as gospel, but it is still unfounded. Yes some side effects can occur, but more animals are protected than are ever harmed. As far as ongoing Ron Schultz quotes, we all know where he stands. He has an anus and has the right to an opinion. That is what many of his ideas are, opinion only.

    Fact, I have a Great Pyrenes in my practice that has had rabies titers run yearly. Between year 4 and 5 the titer dropped below 1:5. Given current ideas on protective titers (not true fact), this dog is no longer protected. Ron Schultz would have me not vaccinate her, exposing me, the owner, and the dog to a potential risk of rabies. Too great a risk considering rabies is fatal and once symptoms develop, cannot be treated or prevented. The good news is that Kris is free to have an opinion and not vaccinate her dogs. The bad news is that if her dogs respond like the one above, we are all at increased risk to disease because her animal is potentially unprotected.
    Thanks labdoc- SO refreshing to see a vet who still has some common sense.
    I vaccinate my dogs annually, and every 3 years for rabies- and have no plans on changing that.
    Kris should not shove this info down our throats,if people decide to not protect their pets thats their business but with less people vaccinating, just watch- the big diseases will make a comeback and more dogs will be harmed in the long run-
    also, adding- my vet has no interest in getting funds from me on vaccines, I do my own vaccines, my vet gets plenty from me without having me in for annual vaccines, etc. I dont believe that is why vets who are pro vaccine, are- I think they believe that the vaccinations will cause more protection for our pets than harm in most cases. Do the people who believe dog vaccines are unsafe, also not vaccinate their children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by md11pilot View Post
    It is clear - and understandable - that many vets will fight the scientifically established findings and recommendations that Kris has posted directly from the veterinary research community and label them as "manure"...it threatens the "vaccine hook" which vets use to bring clients through the door and bolster their bottom lines.
    If I believed this I would find another vet. What an awful thing to say about the folks we have to trusts our dogs lives and well being to? My vet, not being a sport dog specialist, is always open to discuss issues that I may read about or question. He does research if necessary. When we discussed the rabies vaccine, he was all for the once every 3 years. He has clients that "insist" on every year.

    You have to choose for yourself, opt for internet generated health care programs for your dog, or get a vet you trust and make decisions together.
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    "I think poor nutrition is responsible for a majority of the chronic
    disease we see in animals, and [too many] vaccines are a close second."


    This is only my opinion, but I think the above is manure too.

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    It is clear - and understandable - that many vets will fight the scientifically established findings and recommendations that Kris has posted directly from the veterinary research community and label them as "manure"...i
    This is the problem-the quotes that she posts are mixed in with opinions NOT from the accepted veterinary community but from anywhere and everywhere she can find them on the internet to support her side of the argument. Anyone can cut and paste from the Internet but that doesn't mean they are knowlegible or are promoting the most current information. As with any info you find on the Internet, reader beware. Your veterinarian should still be your source to answer questions for vaccinations in your area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2tall View Post
    If I believed this I would find another vet. What an awful thing to say about the folks we have to trusts our dogs lives and well being to? You have to choose for yourself, opt for internet generated health care programs for your dog, or get a vet you trust and make decisions together.
    2tall,

    Just so that you know where the "vaccine hook" quote that md11pilot used came from -- it came from a veterinary trade journal and was written by a veterinarian (Dr. Jim Irwin).

    From a July 1, 2003 DVM article entitled, What Do We Tell Our Clients? , http://www.dvmnewsmagazine.com/dvm/a...l.jsp?id=61696, "It has finally happened. The American Animal Hospital Association (AAHA) has released canine vaccine guidelines. Some practitioners may dread it and consider the recommendations as a 'practice buster.' ......The concern of course is the loss of our 'vaccine hook.' "

    You are absolutely correct that vaccine decisions should be made with a veterinary care provider you trust, and you need to do your homework in order to make an informed decision.
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    "I think poor nutrition is responsible for a majority of the chronic disease we see in animals, and [too many] vaccines are a close second."

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    Most ACL injuries occur when the dog is running or jogging. Therefore we should never let our dogs run or jog again. That would prevent ACL injuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghak99 View Post
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    OMG love the smilie. Perfect!
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    Is that smilie one of our choices here or did you import it, (from Panama or Mexico maybe? Great choice in the context. And thanks /Paul, you have helped me with a question posed on another thread, I promise to never let my dog walk or run again
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