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    I was hoping someone would add some advise on head swinging. My 26 MO SH was ready about 2 mos ago to make a run at getting his MH this spring. About 1 1/2 months ago his marking fell completely off, to the point that I have cancelled my plans for any MH hunt tests this spring until I can fix the problem.

    Being a novice at this and the dog being very subtle about it I did not notice the source of the problem until last weekend. I believe it is that the dog is head swinging "BADLY'. I need to fix this. Anybody got suggestions on how to correct and fix this. Suggestions are greatly appreciated.

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    put multiple guns out in the field but only run a single and if he head swings to another gun say his name and kick him off on the single.'
    I would say run singles singles singles.

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    Singles off multiple guns is always good. As well, I would put the gun stations wide wide apart. I would put them about the same distance at first and use bumpers for all of them. I would slow way down and encourage the head swing. If the dog does head swing, I would give a slight sit, stick correction on a sit command and rethrow another bumper. Send the dog. As the dog gets better at this, I would then move one station in much closer to increase the tempation, perhaps using a bird at that station. Eventually i would tighten up the marks to increase difficulty as well.


    I would also do a 3 bumper yard drill to teach the dog to focus on one pile with the other piles present. We want him to learn to focus on the one thing and only move when you move your leg.

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    Try this video clip on head swinging
    http://www.dannyfarmer.com/ProblemsA...adSwinging.wmv

    As it says in the video....it's not a cure...it's a prevention drill.
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    I had an issue with this a year ago, I stopped running so many multiples and ran only 1 multiple for every 15-20 singles. Singles off 3-4 guns for sure, and even a short gunner standing in a wide open field to give the dog the option to headswing. I would correct the dog by using a heal, nick, heal command when it swung it's head as gave the dog lots of time to think about headswinging before being released. Rushing to release the dog before it swings is not the idea, but give the dog time to focus, slow down, and be a team player. I would also be fair to the dog and keep the gunners wide to start and throw birds if you can with another bird thrown if the dog swings, don't reward the dog for poor habits, throw another, or maybe better put the dog up and run it later on. This would work well on a very birdy type of dog.
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    Another drill is walking singles. Dog and handler stays at the same line, gunner with a starter pistel/ shot gun with poppers etc. walks in the field at different distances and angles, throws the bird and than moves to a different part of the field after the dog picks up the mark. You can ware white coats and really stretch them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TY 4 View Post
    Another drill is walking singles. Dog and handler stays at the same line, gunner with a starter pistel/ shot gun with poppers etc. walks in the field at different distances and angles, throws the bird and than moves to a different part of the field after the dog picks up the mark. You can ware white coats and really stretch them out.
    Ty4:

    Explain the logic in that?

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    I had the same problem and running singles did cure it. I was already entered in a hunt test out of state and the entire week before all I ran was singles. I was entered in the Senior and Master for that test. He nailed the triple in master and both doubles in senior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Brown View Post
    Ty4:

    Explain the logic in that?

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    What this does is takes the dog out of the element of seeing out gunners in the field and the dog only has to focus on one gunner. The gunner in the field walks different distances, and throw into different cover, angles (flats, 45's, angle-in, left/rights) gives the dog a different picture every mark. Again, dog only focuses on one gunner = no head swinging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TY 4 View Post
    What this does is takes the dog out of the element of seeing out gunners in the field and the dog only has to focus on one gunner. The gunner in the field walks different distances, and throw into different cover, angles (flats, 45's, angle-in, left/rights) gives the dog a different picture every mark. Again, dog only focuses on one gunner = no head swinging.
    I do these-exactly what I did last night because I had a thrower and I just wanted "therapy mark" night after a few days of (what I feel were) difficult concepts. But-the next time I run singles (& that's the majority of the time) there will be multiple gun stations-whether stickmen w/ wingers or real folks because you need that address the problem if it's going to crop up. I really liked that Danny Farmer clip showing a really long delay between throwing birds to keep the dog focused longer.


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