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    Quote Originally Posted by FOM View Post
    So if I am mentoring a young man and he has worked his butt off he can't run my dog?
    Doesn't seem fair does it but that's the rule. Would be interesting to know why AKC has this rule. The little Junior handler who shows my youngest dog co-owns her with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FOM View Post
    So if I am mentoring a young man and he has worked his butt off he can't run my dog?

    His parents aren't into dogs, but they have allowed him to learn how to handle and train.....

    Anyone know the UKC/HRC policy? It would be a shame not to allow him to run and dog in an event just because he doesn't "own" a dog.......guess I can always add him as a co-owner.....

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    As long as the dog isn't owned, co-owned, or trained by the judges you'll be good to go in HRC.
    Last month a young girl (+/- 5 yrs) ran her dog in Started at Lake Ontario HRC and passed, that is where the future of the sport starts and it seems odd that an organization wouldn't promote that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FOM View Post
    So if I am mentoring a young man and he has worked his butt off he can't run my dog?

    His parents aren't into dogs, but they have allowed him to learn how to handle and train.....

    Anyone know the UKC/HRC policy? It would be a shame not to allow him to run and dog in an event just because he doesn't "own" a dog.......guess I can always add him as a co-owner.....

    FOM
    I think that is more for shows then test.

    If a dog is titled at a higher level just someone under 18 has to run the dog in a lower level. The person under 18 doesnt have to have a junior handler #.

    sections 4 bottom of page 17
    http://www.akc.org/pdfs/rulebooks/RHTRET.pdf
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    I was basing my question on this document:

    Junior Showmanship


    Conformation
    Junior Showmanship
    Regulations, Guidelines
    for Judging Juniors in
    Conformation, Juniors
    in Performance Event
    Regulations


    Page 16:

    A Guide To
    Performance and Companion Events Competition
    for Juniors


    Section 1. Eligibility as a Junior. Any Junior who
    is at least 9 years old and under 18 years old on the day
    of the show is eligible to compete as a Junior in
    Performance Events. The Junior must obtain a Junior
    Number prior to the day of the event. The ownership
    requirement is the same as for participating in
    Conformation Junior Showmanship: the dog must be
    owned or co-owned by the Junior Handler or the Junior
    Handler’s father, mother, brother, sister, uncle, aunt,
    grandfather, or grandmother, including corresponding
    step and half relations, or by a permanent member of

    the Junior Handler’s household.

    Now I see that there is a Revision:

    Revisions to the
    Conformation Junior Showmanship Regulations,
    Guidelines for Judging Juniors in Conformation,
    Juniors in Performance Events Regulations

    Effective March 2008

    This insert is issued as a supplement to the
    Conformation Junior Showmanship Regulations,
    Guidelines for Judging Juniors in Conformation,
    Juniors in Performance Events Regulations
    Amended to October 2007.

    A Guide To
    Performance and Companion Events
    Competition
    for Juniors

    Section 1. Eligibility as a Junior. Any
    Junior who is under 18 years old on the day
    of the show is eligible to compete as a
    Junior in Performance and Companion
    Events.


    Does this mean that the below section no longer applies to performance and companion events? Or just that the lower limit of 9 has been removed?

    The Junior must obtain a Junior
    Number prior to the day of the event. The ownership
    requirement is the same as for participating in
    Conformation Junior Showmanship: the dog must be
    owned or co-owned by the Junior Handler or the Junior
    Handler’s father, mother, brother, sister, uncle, aunt,
    grandfather, or grandmother, including corresponding
    step and half relations, or by a permanent member of

    the Junior Handler’s household.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBnumber1 View Post
    I was basing my question on this document:

    Junior Showmanship


    Conformation
    Junior Showmanship
    Regulations, Guidelines
    for Judging Juniors in
    Conformation, Juniors
    in Performance Event
    Regulations


    Page 16:

    A Guide To
    Performance and Companion Events Competition
    for Juniors


    Section 1. Eligibility as a Junior. Any Junior who
    is at least 9 years old and under 18 years old on the day
    of the show is eligible to compete as a Junior in
    Performance Events. The Junior must obtain a Junior
    Number prior to the day of the event. The ownership
    requirement is the same as for participating in
    Conformation Junior Showmanship: the dog must be
    owned or co-owned by the Junior Handler or the Junior
    Handler?s father, mother, brother, sister, uncle, aunt,
    grandfather, or grandmother, including corresponding
    step and half relations, or by a permanent member of

    the Junior Handler?s household.

    Now I see that there is a Revision:

    Revisions to the
    Conformation Junior Showmanship Regulations,
    Guidelines for Judging Juniors in Conformation,
    Juniors in Performance Events Regulations

    Effective March 2008

    This insert is issued as a supplement to the
    Conformation Junior Showmanship Regulations,
    Guidelines for Judging Juniors in Conformation,
    Juniors in Performance Events Regulations
    Amended to October 2007.

    A Guide To
    Performance and Companion Events
    Competition
    for Juniors

    Section 1. Eligibility as a Junior. Any
    Junior who is under 18 years old on the day
    of the show is eligible to compete as a
    Junior in Performance and Companion
    Events.


    Does this mean that the below section no longer applies to performance and companion events? Or just that the lower limit of 9 has been removed?

    The Junior must obtain a Junior
    Number prior to the day of the event. The ownership
    requirement is the same as for participating in
    Conformation Junior Showmanship: the dog must be
    owned or co-owned by the Junior Handler or the Junior
    Handler?s father, mother, brother, sister, uncle, aunt,
    grandfather, or grandmother, including corresponding
    step and half relations, or by a permanent member of

    the Junior Handler?s household.

    I read that too. But I think that is if a Junior is competeing against another Junior. But in a hutn test they are competeting against the standard.
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    I guess it is time to email AKC....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Susie Royer View Post
    Doesn't seem fair does it but that's the rule. Would be interesting to know why AKC has this rule.
    If that really applies to hunt tests, my only guess would be liability/safety. If the kid gets bitten or otherwise injured running the family dog then that is one thing. If the kid gets bitten or otherwise injured running someone elses dog then there could be a lawsuit and the club and/or the AKC would be right in the middle of it. That is the only reason I can fathom.
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    I know that I am resurecting a thread from 2008, but I am looking for some current information here. The AKC site is a navigational nightmare and all the links in this thread are not functioning. Does anyone have any current information about some of the requirements that were brought up in this thread?

    Any help would be apreciated

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    Nick get a number for your daughter. Knowing you she'll be the youngest handler running dogs and the only junior running big bad Chessies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moscowitz View Post
    Nick get a number for your daughter. Knowing you she'll be the youngest handler running dogs and the only junior running big bad Chessies.
    5 more years she will be on the line.
    She says now Im the dogs boss and she plays that roll. That is how I get her to daycare in the mourning she climbs up in my trucks and call the dogs and put them in the kennel. Then she calls her car seat her kennel.

    Does any clubs have reduced rates for junior handlers for test or trials. My nephews want to run my dogs in junior but the $70 entry fee is a little much.

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