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    My mentor started this with me, about 12 years ago.. I still have my original, and now I store it as a .doc on my computer and go back and change it... and I thought I would pass it along to you all..Just something to think about from the "other" side..


    1. What is the overall, ultimate goal of your breeding program?

    2. What structural attributes are most important to you?

    3. What 2-3 faults can you live with?

    4. What is the biggest thing you want to improve upon in your breeding program?
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    2 or 3 faults in what severity ?
    Are these faults to include a genetic "disease" such as a EIC, CNM, allergies, or a high propensity for hip dysplasia ? 2 or 3 faults equals a steak dinner in that program.

    My mentor in breeding has a line of 75 yearold show winning Hereford Cattle that has only introduced any new blood but 5-6 times in it's existance.

    Biggest thing to improve. How does one go about that improvement ?
    Breed to the dog with the example of that trait or breed to the dog in the same bloodline with the best example of that trait ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRAKEHAVEN View Post
    How does one go about that improvement ?
    Breed to the dog with the example of that trait or breed to the dog in the same bloodline with the best example of that trait ?

    JK
    Are you asking which is better, an out cross or line breed? From everything I have read about breeding, the out cross is a bigger roll of the dice. Does anyone have a suggestion for reading that a non-biologist could look at to understand more about breeding? I'd like to learn all I can to make myself a more educated puppy buyer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRAKEHAVEN View Post
    2 or 3 faults in what severity ?

    Presumably faults primarily from a conformation perspective (ear set, tail set, tail carriage, topline, pigmentation, angulation, eye color and shape, etc)
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    Jan,

    Thank you for posting the thoughts on breeding. Your mentor is a smart person since she knows as do you and I that no dog is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRAKEHAVEN View Post
    2 or 3 faults in what severity ?
    Are these faults to include a genetic "disease" such as a EIC, CNM, allergies, or a high propensity for hip dysplasia ? 2 or 3 faults equals a steak dinner in that program.


    Biggest thing to improve. How does one go about that improvement ?
    Breed to the dog with the example of that trait or breed to the dog in the same bloodline with the best example of that trait ?

    JK
    As per Mary Roslin Williams:
    Faults are considered constructional- failings are cosmetic
    So a heavily loaded UPRIGHT shoulder is a bad fault, because is puts strain on the dog's leg, feet and spine and jars him with every stride.

    a Failing would be a large ear, light eye.. those types of things that won't make the dog less usable..

    One of the Breeding seminars I attended, and my notes per say-- it takes 7 generations to fix a front or rear assembly..every piece that contrues, and makes the front (or rear) takes a generation to improve on. So knowing the weakness of your lines, and breeding to dogs that improve that consistently, and then taking the best from that, and improving again...
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    Well lets build a consensus chart for how many generations it takes to "fix" problems.

    How many generations does it take to improve

    Marking
    Intellegence
    Desire
    Trainability
    Proper tail
    Coat
    Front assembly
    Rear assembly
    Head piece

    Not being a wise guy just curious what the consensus from breeders who have truly "fixed"
    These traits in their "lines"

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    Buzz,

    I know which one is the best breeding practice, I was posing the question to see what answers would be given.

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    Jeff,

    From a breeding standpoint would you take the dog with a bunch of little faults or one MAJOR fault ? Why ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by turningpointlabs View Post
    As per Mary Roslin Williams:
    Faults are considered constructional- failings are cosmetic
    So a heavily loaded UPRIGHT shoulder is a bad fault, because is puts strain on the dog's leg, feet and spine and jars him with every stride.

    a Failing would be a large ear, light eye.. those types of things that won't make the dog less usable...



    Quote Originally Posted by DRAKEHAVEN View Post
    Jeff,

    From a breeding standpoint would you take the dog with a bunch of little faults or one MAJOR fault ? Why ?

    JK

    Are we talking "faults" or "failings"
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