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    I would like to make a suggestion, and get as much feedback as possible, to alieviate the on going problem many of us have been experiencing trying to enter AKC Limited Master Hunt Tests. The first thing a handler must due if the Test he wishes to enter is full, is to place his/her name on the Wait List. If the Limited Test closes and the handler has not been able to move up the Wait List and register, an opportunity to enter that Test after it closes should still be available.

    If there is a scratch after the Test closes, and in more cases than not there is, the first name on the Wait List should be able to move up, assume that spot as well as run in the same order as the dog that scratched had been assigned. All of the Handlers information is on file with Entry Express, including the Credit Card that will be charged the entry fee. It will now become the responcibility of the Handler to complete a Form that can be downloaded on the Entry Express website that would include all of the necessary information to register, handlers name, status and dog that he will be running. The completed Form will then be delivered to the Hunt Test Chairman on the "Day of the Event" before 7:30am.

    That Form will then be delivered to the Judges by the Hunt Test Chairman and will it will become an addendum to the Hunt Test Premium. The Judges will score and record the results of the "Day of Entry" participant just like any other pre-registered dog and the results will be submitted with all the other Test scores to Entry Express and included with the official copy of the printed Premium.

    This "Day of Entry" opportunity will allow the Handlers the benefit of a full slate of 60 dogs as well affording maximum profitability to the host Clubs.
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    I like the idea but would go one step further and publish the "Wait List" dogs in the catalog. Then if there are scratches even up to the start of the test, the wait list dogs could fill in those spots. That assumes that they might be on site at the test. If not, the next in line would be eligible, etc. Not sure why this can't be done as all the information is on file with the entry service and the entry fee can be charged first day after the test. One MH test a few weeks ago had 11 scratches on the day of the test from 60 entries. Disappointing that a lot of dogs didn't get to participate who were on the Wait List.

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    All this would require a rule change with AKC. If you feel it has merit submit it to the RHTAC so they can review.
    Tom Dorroh
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    I don't see too may people that will take off from work if needed, drive to a test ( who knows how far), maybe even get a hotel room....and then only to find that they still don't get to run. The spirit of your idea is great but I don't think it's going to help too many people.

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    I would like to see Entry Express notify the Handler and assign that spot to the Handler who is first on the wait list & charge his credit card. The Handler would be required to notify Entry Express of his intention to participate and follow the "Day of Entry" procedure. If not, that Handler would be subject the cost of the scratch and the next in line on the Wait List gets the spot etc., etc.
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    would this translate to more work on the part of EE and the HTS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas D View Post
    All this would require a rule change with AKC. If you feel it has merit submit it to the RHTAC so they can review.
    Include a $25 service fee for EE and you have a great chance of getting it done

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    After the close wait list or not it would not be up to EE. If AKC ever allowed this, it would be the HTS that would handle this and collect the entry fee not EE. After the close and books are done, EE sends the entry fee money less their fees to the club. They close the books on that hunt as it should be. No different than the HRC hunts that you can sign up the day of the hunt if they have room.

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    Thank you Karen,
    This is exactlty what I am looking for, helpful advise and or constructive criticism. I would think that Entry Express would still be part of the "Day of Entry" process in so much as they would continue to assign spots to "Wait List Dogs" dogs as the become available. Entry Express continues to collect their service change as the dogs are placed on the "Wait List". The Host Club will collect the Entry Fee when the Handler registers with the Hunt Test Secretary. So does this mean it becomes a first come first served situation with no quarantee for the traveling Handler to get into the test....

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    I think we need to keep it simple for the clubs. Clubs have enough to do the day of the test w/o worrying about filling scratches and collecting money.

    So what problem are we trying to solve...eliminate post closing scratches from preventing dogs on the waitlist from being able to run.

    What about this...

    > When club sets up test in EE they identify if they will handle post closing scratches/waitlists entries...some clubs may not want to deal w/ the hassle

    > For those clubs that do handle post closing scratches/waitlist entries EE will allow post closing scratches until close of business (a reasonable time) the last work day before test and reimburse all but $? to those who scratch post closing - Clubs should reimburse all but $?+ for non-EE scratches...even w/ letter from vet - incentive to use EE scratch - $? minus EE fee goes to club for trouble of handling scratches/waitlist

    > In EE, waitlisted dogs identify whether they want to be eligible for post closing automatic fill-in for scratches or not

    > The post closing scratch option is only available if there are dogs on the post closing waitlist

    > When someone scratches EE automatic puts the first post closing waitlisted dog in scratched dogs place

    > EE will note post closing scratches/fill-in on EE in online running order - highlight in red or something

    > Clubs will have to update running order w/ noted fillin from EE online running order day of test

    > EE will have to mail check to club after HT to handle these late transactions...or...EE could mail check w/ $ for all dogs minus the $ for the # of post closing waitlisted dogs before the test and the delta for the late transactions after the test.

    Its just software.
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