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    Just got back from judging the Amateur at Topeka this weekend.

    Tried Lee Houser's transparency judging system and loved it!

    Took time to draw a detailed diagram in color, and from there on out all I had to do is draw each dog's performance

    Easier and more uniform

    Much easier to compare performance dog to dog
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    Did you find it easy from the get-go? I judged a minor stake recently with someone who had them, and they looked great, but it seemed to take the person longer at first to use that system....?

    The pictures to compare dog-to-dog were great...
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    Where can we get these sheets?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JusticeDog View Post
    Did you find it easy from the get-go? I judged a minor stake recently with someone who had them, and they looked great, but it seemed to take the person longer at first to use that system....?

    The pictures to compare dog-to-dog were great...
    Of course, it takes longer - at first - to draw diagram

    And you have to set diagram under sheet

    You need clips to hold sheets you are not using together and to hold diagram against sheet you are using, that takes a little time

    But, overall, I did not find it cumbersome ... or time consuming

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    been using them since my first assignment. i love them also.-paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Shih View Post
    Of course, it takes longer - at first - to draw diagram

    And you have to set diagram under sheet

    You need clips to hold sheets you are not using together and to hold diagram against sheet you are using, that takes a little time

    But, overall, I did not find it cumbersome ... or time consuming
    I'm trying to envision what you're describing and if I understand it correctly...

    Wouldn't it be easier to have the transparencies in a binder and then move JUST the diagram behind each one?

    It sounds like the transparencies are clipped and you have to pull them out -- which, for me, would end up with 100 transparencies blowing in the wind.

    Sorry if I'm misunderstanding... If not, maybe my recommendation is helpful!

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    the actual sheet is the transparency; the sketch is on a heavier weight sheet Lee calls the template.(actually more like cardboard) and yes, that's what you do; the template has slots instead of holes, so you can move it around within your binder.

    at the end of the trial, you can take multiple sheets and evaluate the differences very quickly. good lines to the birds and where the dogs hunted can be evaluated at the same time. makes it easier to pick the winner and placements.

    it is the most accurate system i have seen.-paul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristie Wilder View Post
    I'm trying to envision what you're describing and if I understand it correctly...

    Wouldn't it be easier to have the transparencies in a binder and then move JUST the diagram behind each one?

    It sounds like the transparencies are clipped and you have to pull them out -- which, for me, would end up with 100 transparencies blowing in the wind.

    Sorry if I'm misunderstanding... If not, maybe my recommendation is helpful!
    I keep my sheets in a leather notebook.
    They are divided in tens, so I can find a number quickly
    By the fourth series, I pull the transparencies from their dividers and keep them all together.

    The sheets are thin and blow in the wind, so even though they are in binder, it helps to clip them together

    I highlight the two lines that create four boxes "+" and on the master grid, then clip so that the lines overlay on both the individual sheet and the master sheet so that each sheet is mated properly with the master
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    I tried this system for the first time this weekend juding the Amateur in Tar Heel.

    I agree it is very easy to use and also found that when comparing two dogs, I simply put the pattern behind the two comparing dogs.

    Then you can really see how each dog compares to the pattern.

    Also critical to make sure your pattern is in a "fixed Position" every time you go to critique each dog.

    Great system and make placing the dogs in the last series a 10 minute process.

    Also helped that Teelander's dog was the definite winner!!
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    At Topeka, we also had clear cut winner.

    Remaining placements were close.

    Being able to overlay the competing dogs with one another and the master sheet made sorting out placements much easier

    Competition does not build character - It reveals it.

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