Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly etc

[Henry V]

Interesting take. The GOP offers up the least Republican candidate ever(?), Republican voter turnout drops, and your prescription is that the GOP needs to move further to the left? Thanks for the advice., Dr. Kovorkian, but I think we'll pass.

Where did I say that republicans need to move to the left? You have jumped to a conclusion because you assume things about my intent. You know some might interpret what I wrote to say that running on the same old issues is the problem and that the priority issues and key spokesmen need to change (you know, kinda like the post that started this thread made by a conservative).

Perhaps you should cue up the speeches made by some of the lead republican governors and listen to what they were talking about last week at their meeting (excluding Palin who did not have a real vision for the future IMHO). I guess you would call many of them Dr. Kevorkian too.

You are right as always, stick with those tried and true issues and talking head "entertainers". They are most important for moving this country forward in a conservative way. This strategy really worked the last 8 years and in this election. Keep it up and maybe Obama will be able to get 400 electoral votes next time.

Oh, and keep that chip on your shoulder that Olberman is strictly "an anchor", especially on his own show. You are at least one person who believes that.

[cotts135]

You trying to turn the table on the message instead of the messenger is laughable.

That's just beautiful, where now supposed to attach more importance to the messenger than the message. Basic logic tells us that that is an Ad Hominim attack.
You need to stop confusing my comments on what Beck said with what Ayers has done. What Ayers has done in the past is a separate issue to how Beck responded to O'Reillys question. There is also a name for that in basic logic, it is called a Strawman attack.
My issue in these post's are with Beck not Ayers. My thoughts about Ayers I am sure are just about the same as yours. What he did is Domestic Terrorism period hence he is a Domestic terrorist. I don't condone any of his acts and his claims that these acts were non-violent is ludicrous.

[Hew]

Oh, and keep that chip on your shoulder that Olberman is strictly "an anchor", especially on his own show. You are at least one person who believes that.

Exactly, there's just me and the Washington Post with their chip-on-the-shoulder headline on 9/8/08: MSNBC Drops Olbermann, Matthews as News Anchors

At least you're now aware that there are differences between political commentary (Beck) and journalism (your boy Olbermann) so this thread hasn't been a total loss for you. My work here is finished, where do I send the bill?

[subroc]

Nothing ad hominem about it. I already disagreed with your arguments on the merits believing you are choosing to misrepresent what he said and trying find a dark meaning in an innocuous comment where there is none.

Your choosing to see, in some bizzaro world, that he is advocating hurting anyone, dismissing any context even after listening to the piece is disingenuous at best.

I expect you could find many here that agree with you:

http://dailykos.com/

Now in those famous words of that commentator, Bill O'Reilly, from that bastion of “fair and balanced,” Fox News, “I’ll give you the last word.”

[Uncle Bill]

Bill, my point is that they do the Republican Party more damage than they do good. Why do you suppose McCain wouldn't come within a 100 miles of thier shows? Because what they spew is not Conservatism nor generally accurate. They are trying to define the Republican Party and it is harming the party. The are better voices to represent the party but Rush and Sean have established themseleves as the big boys and broadcast companies are in business to make money. They are PRODUCT and not the real voice of traditional Americans. We carry both of thier shows and I'd drop them both in a heartbeat if corporate would allow me to do so. But, stations won't drop their shows because they know both shows bring decent ratings. Not great ratings but, decent. And, that is true all over the country. Until we get real Conservative voices on the air, these two will define the party and they have no business doing so. You mention Beck and I would not put him in the same catagory as Rush and Sean. I actully think Beck has a better understanding of what is real and he is generally more accurate. Rush and Sean only appeal to the hardcore and turn off anyone interested in exploring what Republicans really have to offer. Rush is also pompus turning new listeres off and Sean is mostly inaccurate. Broadcasters have to find better host or these two will continue to damage Conservatives and Republicans alike.

And after you have "dropped them in a heartbeat", you would be getting the 'conservative' message out to your listeners how??? I suspect NOT!

Your company and all like them didn't get that message out before Limbaugh, and I'd bet when the newer form of the fairness crap is forced on your stations, you will indeed drop these programs, and opt for what?

Please tell me how you intend to do anything via your broadcasts that will educate the listener about conservatism? I'm betting you will be putting your head in the sand like all the others, and be listening to your bean-counters, and "not rocking the boat".

No, Franco, when Limbaugh and the others in his camp are silenced, you will then see the complete installation of socialism like you can't imagine possible. Add to it the liberalization of the SCOTUS, and the "educating" of our youth in the various levels of schooling, and this Democracy will be history.

As has been stated by one far more educated than me..."this is not the beginning, nor is it the end...but it IS the end of the beginning."

As HEW reminded us...

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship."

Alexander Fraser Tyler, "The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic"

We have entered into this 'era'. Even if we succeed in recovering from it, it will be a generation or more. What has been unleashed on this society will be the largest eye-opener in history. There will be some that will get what they want, but it will be a miscule percentage of those that will be getting what they deserve. The 'hen house' has indeed been opened to the rabid predators.

You may not like the message of the Limbaugh clan, but when they are gone, you will discover how many holes in the dike they were plugging. Are you ready for the nation that's void of any conservative voice?

Welcome to the world of Allen Combs, Bill Maher, Al Franken, Keith Olberman, and Michael Moore. How proud the libs must be of "their" voices.

Your stations won't be airing these as "EQUAL TIME", they'll just shut off the others, and you know it, Franco. Be prepared for what you ask.

UB

[Franco]

Bill, I NEVER said anything about silencing them! I just want them off our stations so we could make room for better conservative talk host. Let me add that both Limbaugh and Hannity have difficult audiences to sell to advertisers, which is anoher problem. One, I think they hurt the party and two, there aren't many advertisers looking to target their commercials to men over the age of 55(when was the last time you or I were influenced by any advertising that wasn't Cialis or other meds/). That is the big bulk of their audience and I've said all along that they Preach to the Choir. WE need talk host that can influence more and younger listeners.

I'm listing just some of the talk host with syndicated shows;Others include Mark Levin, Bill O'Reilly, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Phil Hendrie, George Noory, Bill Wattenburg, Bob Brinker, Rick Roberts, Jay Mundy, Jim Quinn, G. Gordon Liddy, Bill Cunningham, Melanie Morgan, Jon Arthur, Mike Gallagher and Laura Ingraham. Other top-rated, conservative, less-political commentators include Laura Schlessinger (whose show, Dr. Laura, features personal & interpersonal advice), and Bruce Williams, (whose show focuses on banking, business, and personal finances).

There are many more up and comers and they are not on low powered a.m. signals like Air(destroy) America!

[Henry V]

Ok, could someone please clarify what "conservative" means for purposes of this discussion?

[Marvin S]

Ok, could someone please clarify what "conservative" means for purposes of this discussion?

Conservative means someone who is fiscally prudent, believes there should be limited or no government involvement in any area except the protection of our country,the reasonable rights of citizens & doing those necessary projects collectively that the populace would be unable to accomplish as individual entities.

That they believe the 10 Commandments apply to the personal conduct of their own life is also a plus.

What I find objectionable about both social conservatives & liberals is they both try to tell us how to run our lives.

Thanks for asking the question.

[Franco]

Marvin has hit the nail on the head!

Like I've said earlier in this thread, Limbaugh, Hannity and others have tried to redefine Conservative. In doing so, they have helped us lose the White House, the Senate and Congress.

I for one do not consider either one of them to be true Conservatives! For that matter neither is McCain.

Many of us viewed this past election as the lesser of two evils.

[Henry V]

Marvin and Mr Booty,

Glad I could help hold the nail. OK, so by this definition, who among today's politicians fits this definition and where does McCain stray the farthest?

Also, this recent article was interesting. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art...ransition.html
What are your thoughts on the classes of conservatives/republicans presented here. Is he way off in his assessment?